Talk:Jim Tressel

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[edit] 19-0 is second-longest streak?

The Wikipedia page states that "His 19-game winning streak during the 2002-2003 campaigns was the second longest in the history of Ohio State football."

But according a recent (8-28-06) article on The Official Site of Ohio State Athletics, "The current seven-game win streak is second only to the 19-consecutive wins under Tressel in 2002 (14-0) and 2003 (5-0 to start season). " This article can be found at

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082806aab.html

Jefs 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• I think the article is referring only to winning streaks under Tressel. The Ohio State records book (page 17, right hand column) confirms the longest winning streak at 22 from 1967-1969, followed by the streak of 19 under Tressel. TheMan232 04:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Made changes to the summary, but they are not showing.

I tried to add his conference championships and rivalry record but the changes don't show up. Any thoughts?

[edit] POV issue in reverted edit to YSU section

The following paragraph has been removed twice from the article. While my POV would be in support of Tressel, I fear that leaving this information out of the article tilts the article-- and the section in particular-- toward my POV:

While at YSU, Tressel's football program was investigated for major NCAA infractions. It was found that on numerous occasions during the period beginning August - September 1988 and continuing through the spring of 1992, a representative of the institution’s athletic interests, who was at the time a member and chairperson of the Youngstown State University Board of Trustees, gave at least $10,000 in cash and checks to a football student-athlete for his personal use. In the fall of 1988, the athletics booster instructed the football student-athlete to contact a business associate regarding the use of automobiles. The football student-athlete contacted the business associate who provided the free use of automobiles to the eligible football student-athlete. (Source: Farrey, Tom. Souls of the departed haunt Youngstown. ESPN.com, 12 November 2004. Retrieved 14 January 2008.)

This is not an indiscriminate addition of information. Because Tressel was the head coach at the time, and was thus responsible for the YSU football team, it's highly relevant to the subject matter. I've flagged the section from which this paragraph was removed for possible POV problems. -- JeffBillman (talk) 08:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I completely disagree that the info is relevant to this particular article on the grounds that a) while yes, Tressel was responsible for the team's operations, he cannot be (and wasn't) held accountable for what happened outside the limits of his own personal actions and/or guidelines he set for the team. It was a booster, not a member of the coachin staff. So far as the matter in question is concerned, the info belongs on the YSU football team article, not Tressel's; b) Coach Tressel wasn't indicted on any charges, so what's the point in including it in his article when it's obvious that he wasn't found negligible or guilty on any counts in the first place? The investigation was inconsequential with regards to the YSU coaching staff having any hand in the matter. This is merely a ploy by anti-Tressel (and anti-Buckeye) pundits to try and soil a man's reputation and discredit his programs. I wouldn't tolerate such pointless and inflammatory content on the Lloyd Carr article either, as it is a matter of integrity, not fandom. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 08:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I asked for help from Wikipedia:WikiProject College football for a third opinion. Thanks for helping to improve this article! -- JeffBillman (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

While Ryecatcher773 reeks of a pro-tOSU slant (as made obvious by his user page), I agree this information isn't relevant to Jim Tressel's article. However, given the fact that Troy Smith accepted money while playing at OSU, it may gain relevance, despite the fact that, again, Tressel wasn't implicated. Reliable source would be needed, as just noting the similarities of different players taking money at different programs under the same coach would violate WP:OR. Tool2Die4 (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)