Talk:Jewish identity

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Contents 1 Merge proposal 2 Untitled comment 3 This article and Identity Politics 4 Merge

[edit] Merge proposal

Please see the discussion here. ← Michael Safyan 03:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Untitled comment

I am confused by why this article exists:

1. The article on Jewish identity is Who is a Jew?, information should go there, unless there is a reason to fork the article.
2. There is consensus on who is a Jew. In fact, there are clear definitions, all of which are described in Who is a Jew?. That does not mean that there is not disagreement over some cases, but most are clear-cut. See the definition added to the main Jew article: Jews are (1) those who practice Judaism and who are descended from Jews (2) Those who converted to Judaism (3) those who do not practice Judaism, but are descended directly from Jews and identify historically and culturally with the Jewish community
3. The information presented does not back up the fact that there is no consensus about who is a Jew. In fact, it says that 94% of self-identified Jews are either religious Jews or descended of Jewish parents. The other 6% seems to include lapsed converts (who would still be considered Jewish) and people who may have not formally converted. In any case, this shows a nearly 95% confidence interval, and probably much more, around the consensus of who is a Jew in the United States, which probably has the most fluid community. The evidence does not support your point, so I have modified it.
4. This feels like a runaround. I have spent hundreds of paragraphs arguing with you (as have others) about this topic, and you go ahead and create a seperate article to propogate your view, rather than continuing the discussion

I don't want to redirect/delete until I understand what you are trying to do here, could you explain? --Goodoldpolonius2 06:18, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the most useful information on this topic is found at Who is a Jew?. However, this article has the better name, as Wikipedia articles are supposed to have nouns rather than questions as their title. I would like to move Who is a Jew? to Jewish identity, but I'm not sure how to do that without losing Who is a Jew?'s history. --Angr 10:42, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(a) I don't know what sort of discussion is going on here, but I don't see why there shouldn't be an article on Jewish identity: not "Who is a Jew according to which rabbi?", but "What is a Jew?" or "What am I?" (/"What is he?"/"What is she?"). The two articles could be merged, but they deal with non-identical questions.

(b) 94% of self-identified Jews either are religious or have at least one parent identified as Jewish by the respondent - this does not surprise me, but we have to keep in mind that this statistic (accurate or not) reflects in part the definitions used in the survey itself. Hasdrubal 22:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mike6271 appears to be a vandal, I'm posting a warning on his talk page. He left this [1], search for Mike Church, including re-doing his vandalism. (Skalskal)

[edit] This article and Identity Politics

Any though of adding this topic to this article per Deborah Dash Moore, (no relation) American Jewish Identity Politics, University of Michigan Press, October 2008; Marla Brettschneider, Cornerstones of Peace: Jewish Identity, Politics, and Democratic Theory, Rutgers University Press, January 1996; or lots of articles and mentions of the topic that exist. Thanks. Carol Moore 04:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc {talk}

This article doesn't seem to mention anything relevant to the Identity politics article, and, as you've admitted, you haven't read either of those books, so it's not clear how they're relevant either. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

See here —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)