Talk:Jesus (1979 film)

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[edit] NPOV Troubles

First, the statistics section is ridiculous. 4 billion people is impossible. Second, where did the criticisms section go? Third, The phrase "decisions for Christ", as used in stats. section, is clearly not NPOV.

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You are correct in pointing out a discrepancy with the "4 billion people" number in the statistics section. The published stat (remember, Wikipedia can only quote published sources, so rather you agree with a stat or not it's all we have to work is) claims that the film's viewership is over 5 billion--one person who sees the film multiple times gets counted each time the film is viewed. Whoever wrote in the article "Including unique and non-unique viewings, the conservative estimate is that 4 billion people have viewed the film" obviously worded the sentance incorrectly, so I'm going to edit it accordingly.
The criticism section was moved to the discussion page (scroll down) until it could be properly sourced and rewritten without weasel words.
The phrase "decisions for Christ" should state that "over 200 million people have indicated making a decision to receive Christ" after viewing the film. The shorthand phrase "decisions for Christ" is Christian jargon.
I'm going to make the edits mentioned above and remove the NPOV template.
--Sixtrojans 04:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incoherent sentence?

What do you reckon this is supposed to say:

Some locations used in the film, such as the River Jordan and what is believed to be the home of Simon the Tanner were used.

--Jim Henry 02:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms Section Needs Sources and Editing

[edit] Section in Progress

A criticism of Jesus, particularly by liberal Christians{source}, is that the film is melodramatic{source} and a weak attempt{source} to commercialize the faith.{source}

Another criticism is that its depiction of the passion (suffering) of Jesus does not feature the crown of thorns.{source} Supporters of the film say{source} this is due to the fact that the Gospel of Luke does not mention the crown of thorns. Although the opening of the film features a quote from the Gospel of John, the omission of the crown of thorns may have been a production decision to remain as accurate as possible to the Gospel of Luke.{source}

[edit] Discussion of Criticism Section

I moved the criticism section to the talk page for discussion. In its original form in the article, it lacked NPOV and didn't offer any sources. --Sixtrojans 20:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Nations

Today someone modified the text to say that Jesus Film Teams have shown the film in 229 nations, which comes, I believe, from the Jesus Film statistics page. Could someone please explain how they are counting countries around the world? Most authorities (United Nations, CIA Fact Book) claim there are only 191 or 192 nations around the world. Was the Island on LOST finally discovered? Now that would be something if the Dharma folks had a Jesus orientation film hidden in one of the hatches. --Sixtrojans 23:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I think he or she meant that they showed the Jesus film in 229 languages not the number of nations or states. Stevenphil (talk) 22:49, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Jesus.film.1979.jpg

Image:Jesus.film.1979.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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While legally there may be a question about fair use, given that the owners of the Jesus film are not intending to make money out of it, but distribute it to as many people as possible, I would think it very unlikely that they would object to us using a poster image. 199.71.183.2 15:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I'm proposing that Jesus Film Project be merged here. The article cites no sources, and isn't independently notable outside of it's association with this film.-Andrew c [talk] 15:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. The organization has a history and commitments of its own. It is not just about the film. -Garik 11 12:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Could you try to address my concerns? The article has no sources and doesn't establish notability outside association with this film. I believe the article doesn't meet WP:ORG and therefore could easily qualify for deletion. I'm trying to salvage content, but we have to keep in mind content needs to meet wikipedia policies and be verifiable.-Andrew c [talk] 14:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe it does meet WP:ORG#Non-commercial_organizations (activities far from being local in scope, longevity, size, etc). Also, I've slightly trimmed the article . -Garik 11 15:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
You do realize that if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by sources that are reliable and independent of the organization. The two citations you added are not independent of the organization. Notability has to be established if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. It goes on and says press releases (what you cited) do not count towards this goal. Please don't get me wrong. I'm really glad you are working on this article. I'm just trying to make sure that you understand out guidelines, and that your efforts are pointed in the right direction (so they don't go to waste if the notability guidelines are not meet and the article deleted). Thanks for your work so far!-Andrew c [talk] 15:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Leaving aside the quality of the other article, I think it makes sense to merge the two. Neither is a very long article; the Jesus Film Project's existence is entirely bound up with the film, and a separate section on the organization would be entirely appropriate. 199.71.183.2 16:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A new article for the jesus film project.......................

Maybe we can make a new article about the jesus film project. because it may be to long and there may be new articles about the film and the project. we can get some ideas from the official jesus film project website. (jesusfilm.org) Stevenphil (talk) 22:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Jesusfilm.jpg

Image:Jesusfilm.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)