Talk:Jesuit Reductions

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Contents 1 Jesuit Province of Paraguay 2 Bias 3 Cleanup and citing 4 French page 5 Opening sentence

[edit] Jesuit Province of Paraguay

If you type in 'Jesuit Province of Paraguay', shouldn't it lead here? 165.146.177.74 19:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

These Jesuits sound like saints. Universal literacy? My arse.

78.147.146.29 (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course the Guaranis living in the Reductions were not free by modern standads BUT the Jesuits created theese villages to protect them from spanish and portuguese slave traders. The aim of the Treaty of Madrid was to allow theese traders to resume their business. The Guaranis wars, fighted after that the last Jesuit departed, show that the Guaranis knew bloody well the difference! Therefore, I am quite astonished by the content of this article, which follows the old portuguese propaganda. There is a bias, but not the one you think of!Jsoufron (talk) 07:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree. On the linguistic side, the work of those Jesuits was really impressive and they had similar projects even in Europe. They for example tried to codify my first language (Bavarian) and make it a standard language independent of today's Standard German. But the next year after they were banned in 1773, this project was canceled and Bavarian had the same fate as Guaraní ... it slowely vanished and was reduced to a dialect spoken only by uneducated people. --El bes (talk) 07:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The article is full of POV and naive propaganda. For example how one hunderd Jesuits were able to "keep absolute power" and "ruthlessy exploit"? Or why the Guarani fiercely defended the missions against the Portugese despite of Jesuits requests to give up the fight? The intruduction is as POV as Goebels' tyrade.Yeti (talk) 00:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Yeti, you are using a parabula that shows that you have not much information about the historic discurse. This Mr. G., you are mentioning, never said anything but hate tyrades against catholicism in general and especially about the Jesuits. Here he was in the even older tradition of Prussion anti-Jesuit propaganda, that was common even under intellectuals there. --El bes (talk) 03:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup and citing

I have added a few more citations to this page and removed the tag. This is in preparation for a fairly large merge of material that I intend to do from the rather large section under Guaraní, which is largely taken verbatim from the Catholic Encyclopedia. The bulk of that information belongs here however, as that section is larger than the main article. Arkyan 18:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French page

Have a look on the French page... we could get some information off there and improve this page. jackchen123 23/08/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.109.100.117 (talk) 11:37, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

Better and well balanced - see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_j%C3%A9suite_du_ParaguayJsoufron (talk) 16:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opening sentence

I'm not pleased with the opening of "Jesuit Reductions": "The Jesuit Reductions were a particular version of the general Spanish colonial strategy of building reductions...".

An explanation of what a "reduction" is ought to come first. It's a settlement, according to the "Indian Reductions" article. D021317c 08:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)