Talk:Jerusalem Day (anti-Zionist)

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[edit] Bias

"... opposing the occupation of Jerusalem (Arabic name: Al-Quds القـُدْس) by Israel ..." Jerusalem is legally the capital of Israel meaning it is NOT "occupied". --DandanxD 11:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It does not follow. – Kaihsu 19:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name: Jerusalem Day?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Isn't this more commonly known in English as Jerusalem day?--Irishpunktom\talk 20:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Jerusalem Day is usually on a different day. And Iran and Israel would pay attention to different things ..... -- PFHLai 22:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

"International Day of Quds" fetched nearly 1 million entries on Google. "Jerusalem Day (anti-Zionist)" 100000, not to say that it is a very awkward title. I will move the article to the former title. – Kaihsu 14:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Jerusalem Day (anti-Zionist) → International Day of Al-Quds — "International Day of Quds" fetched nearly 1 million entries on Google. "Jerusalem Day (anti-Zionist)" 100000, not to say that it is a very awkward title. —Kaihsu 22:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Oppose as not a well-founded request. The disambiguation term in the search is especially bad. The mere logical and searches are bad. There is nothing offered by the proponent to support a move. Gene Nygaard 03:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


Oppose - I also oppose moving Jerusalem Day (anti-Zionist) to "International Day of Al-Quds]].
I fully appreciate Kaihsu's efforts to ensure the page name complies with the Wikipedia naming guidelines. However, in this instance, I respectfully contend that Kaihsu's conclusion is erroneous. "Jerusalem Day", with an accompanying explanation that "Al-Quds" is the Arabic name for Jerusalem, is the most common form used in the media, and in scholarly publications. In contrast, the long form "International Day of Al-Quds" is rarely used.
A central issue to be considered is the name with which the reader will be familiar. I feel it is highly unlikely that readers will initially think to look for this topic under the name "International Day of Al-Quds".
In regard of the apparent suggestion that the parenthetical qualifying term "(anti-Zionist)" makes the page name awkward, the inclusion of this term is intended solely to distinguish this subject of this article from the Israeli holiday also known in English as Jerusalem Day. This is in the same vein as the parenthetical qualifying terms "(film)", "(song)", etc, used with other page names. As such, I do not believe that it makes the page name awkward, and even if this were the case, the page name "Jerusalem Day (anti-Zionist)" is still less awkward than the long form "International Day of Al-Quds". Nonetheless, I would welcome any suggestions as to an improved parenthetical qualifying term that other contributors may have.
Finally, though I appreciate the mention of Google entries, it is self-evidently the case that Google related statistics are never solely determinative of such issues.
I look forward to the comments of other contributors.Louse 11:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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[edit] International Day of Quds

Please, have a look at the website: www.against-al-quds-day.org (in German: www.gegen-al-quds-tag.de) and at the following letter that we have adressed to various institutions in charge of interfaith calendars. We hope that you might reconsider the definition you put on the net under "The international Day of Quds".

Best regards,


Dear friends,


We would like to inform you about a mistake on your interfaith calendar. It announces "Quds Day" on October 28 as an Islamic holiday. This is unfortunately not correct. "Quds Day" is not a religious holiday but a political propaganda day proclaimed by Ayatollah Khomeini during the Iranian revolution in 1979. As you know, this revolution led to a brutal dictatorship of political Islam. On "Quds Day" the Iranian regime and Khomeini followers in other countries celebrate the Iranian dictatorship, call for the so-called "export of the revolution" and especially for the destruction of the state of Israel.

We therefore write to you in behalf of a broad coalition of Turkish, Kurdish, Iranian and German activists asking you to remove this non-religious, politically-charged event from your calendar. Our coalition has successfully campaigned against the "Quds Day"-rally in Berlin and has informed the German public about the event's political and antisemitic background. Our campaign is supported by leading representatives of migrant communities, Green and Socialist members of Parliament. As a result of our efforts, "Quds Day" has been removed from all interfaith calendars in Germany.

Below you find some background on "Quds Day". We would like to ask you to reconsider your interfaith calendar in the light of this information. Hopefully you will have the chance to remove "Quds Day" from the list of Islamic religious holidays before October 28.

Please let us know about your decision. This email is distributed to more then 50 institutions worldwide and reactions will be documented on the webpage of the Berlin coalition "Together Against Political Islam and Antisemitism".

Yours sincerely

Arne Behrensen Aycan Demirel Elif Kayi Udo Wolter

Members of the Berlin coalition "Together against political Islam and Antisemitism" www.against-al-quds-day.org

[edit] On this day

Putting this day in the "main page"[1] was very controversial. There's some disscussions about it:Talk:Main Page#Al-Quds Day. --Sa.vakilian 02:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] page with a clear political agenda

Whoever built this page is only doing Israel a favor: It accentuates the true character of Arab "leadership." --Gilabrand 06:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Apologies that this does not directly relate to the article but I would like to point out a glaring point of ignorance in the above statement made by the respective user; with all due respect but you have no idea what you are talking about; Khomeini was Persian or Iranian (whatever you prefer) and he is in no way Arab. I hope that in the intervening period between these two comments you have come to realise that not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslims. In fact to perhaps demonstrate that Khomeini was not the most sympathetic towards Arabs I direct your attention to Iran-Iraq War article. Hopefully this will indicate how Khomeini is far from being Arab. Also, kindly refrain from making sweeping generalities about ethnicities in the future, as it will usually encite flame wars and intolerance that blinds reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.178.72 (talk) 09:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
As a sayyid, Imam Khomeini was of Arab ancestry.--71.105.248.129 18:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)