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[edit] History

In general, the history section seems unbalanced, there being a significant lack of information about early 19th century, when much of downtown JC was laid out. Hamilton's and other's attempts to develop the city, stymied by New York's claims of a boundary to the water's edge and control of ferry franchises, the expanision of the town town/village at Bergen Square would seem to belong in this article. I will make attempts to add and hope others who are interested will do same Djflem 11:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Diversity

July 6, 9:22 PM The links added by 68.175.76.246 on July 6 to newportnj.com probably should be removed. The actual in-story link is poor formatting and the external link at the end is not a link to any sort of Newport web site, but a commercial web site for residential and commercial property in Newport. - TimSPC

Someone biased deleted the following:

"-Jersey City is arguably the most ethnically and culturally diverse city in the country, if not the world, with an almost equal mix of non-Hispanic whites, non-Hispanic blacks, Asians, and Latinos. It has one of the largest Arab and Muslim populations and proportions of any city in the nation, one of the largest Asian proportions of any American city, and one of the largest proportions of various Latino and Hispanic ethnicities of any city outside the nation's southwest. It also has higher-than-average numbers of Jews, Italians, Cubans, Indians, and Irish than most cities in the nation."

So, I readded it. Sources:

http://www.city-data.com/top35.html

(note, in this list "diversity" is ranked by places with the lowest percentages of "non Hispanic whites"--OK, so a city with 90% blacks and 10% non-Hispanic whites is supposed to be considered "more diverse" than a city with a mix of all races, INCLUDING whites? This stupid logic is the only reason Honolulu, or any of those other "cities", appear "more diverse" than JC on this list.) Compare Jersey City's "racial" percentages to ANY other city on that list: black, white, and Hispanic are the 3 largest groups, and are essentially equal in proportion; these three are followed by the various Asian groups, which total 16% of the population, a larger proportion of Asians than in most cities with large Hispanic and/or black populations.

Races in Jersey City:

Black (28.3%) Hispanic (28.3%) White Non-Hispanic (23.6%) Other race (15.1%) Filipino (6.6%) Two or more races (5.8%) Asian Indian (5.4%) Chinese (1.5%) Other Asian (1.3%) American Indian (1.0%) Vietnamese (0.7%) Korean (0.6%)

No other city, especially one of the US' top 100, has quite a varied mix. And VARIETY is what "diversity" really is. A city that is 85% Mexcian-American or 60% Japanese-American is NOT "diverse" simply because it lacks Caucasian people.

Jersey City's Ancestries: Italian (6.6%), Irish (5.6%), Polish (3.0%), Arab (2.8%), German (2.7%), West Indian (2.4%).

This shows that even among Caucasians there is a mix, and that there are sizeable Arab and West Indian populations (groups that are often missing from most American cities). I'm hard-pressed to find an ethnic/cultural group that is NOT faily represented in Jersey City. It's highly unlikely that there's another city in the nation or the world that has such a blend of everyone. I've never come across it personally. If anyone can find America's, or the world's, real MOST DIVERSE city, then the info about JC being it should be removed, and the real most diverse city's article should be updated with the info. However, someone just removed the fact that JC is the nation's most diverse because of bias, and that's inexcusable!

Also, this site:

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12363

Think about what this means: other than these 6 cities, NO PLACE in America has at least 10% of their population among European-Americans, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and Hispanic-Americans. Even compared to the five California cities listed, Jersey City is incredibly more diverse. It has a higher proportion of Asians than all but Stockton, a higher proportion of blacks than all but Oakland, and is not nearly as biased towards Hispanic and white groups as the Cali cities but still is nowhere near being a "non-white" or a "non-Hispanic" city. Plus, like I said, its diversity even among its white/Caucasian population surpasses the Cali cities, since it includes Italians, Polish, German, and a variety of European groups, as well as far larger numbers of Jews and Arabs than are present on the west coast. (NJ, mostly because of its eastern cities and suburbs like Jersey City is the state with the 2nd largest percentage of both Jews and Arabs/Muslims.)

Scroll down to the bottom thread of this forum, and you'll see someone else quoted the list of "Top 100 Most Diverse" cities. He erroneously states that the percentage used to rank them is the "percentage of the largest racial group". Incorrect! The reason so many small Hawaii and California towns are around, and even ahead of, Jersey City is because this listing is biased towards Asians. Take the "most diverse" city, for example. Summing only its Fillipino and Japanese populations, we arrive at over 28%. Add in the other Asians, and we're looking at probably 50% Asian, which is what the "race" of these people really is. If we're going to count Vietnamese, Thai, Chinese, and Japanese as separate "races", then we also have to count Italian, Irish, German, Dominican, Colombian, Jamaican, etc, as "races"--they're not. They're ethnicities. That listing's counting each Asian nationality as a different "race" is the only reason any city seems more diverse than Jersey City, which "only" has a combined Asian total of 16%.

  • Nice work, but "Jersey City is highly ethnically diverse" would seem sufficient. I don't see value in a label like "most ethnically diverse." --Tysto 14:13, 2005 August 3 (UTC)

[edit] Education

I'm removing the claim for St. Peter's Prep being one of the best high schools in the state. Is there anything we can point to as a source for this?

The Education section refers to several neighborhoods which have yet to be introduced. Should we move this section to a position below the Neighborhoods section? AnonUser 16:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

If Saint Mary's school and Saint Anthonys is here, I think Saint Bridgets, should be added. Saint Bridgets is a sister school of both of those schools. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.231.60 (talk) 19:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mayor

The mayor of Jersey City is Jerramiah Healy. There is someone pulling some shenangians. If you revert, make sure you revert back to the correct information. -TimSPC

[edit] Satellite Maps

Hi!

I added two color map linx to the bottom.

Enjoy them.

Supercool Dude

[edit] Transportation

Is a list of highways, subway lines, and their stops really encyclopedic? The entries for Hoboken and other area cities don't include such lists. --Tysto 14:13, 2005 August 3 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Their stops have or will have articles. --SPUI (talk) 23:55, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Hoboken has one PATH stop, hence its not having a list of stops. It wouldn't me much of a list. --69.141.29.225 04:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by 209.244.172.107

Looks like someone with The Lefrak organization is trying to put their sales pitch up here. I cleaned it up a bit, but it needs more. Tim Aug 27

[edit] Publishing

Would a local newspaper(s) and other publishers warrant a section (or at least a mention) in this article? AnonUser 16:28, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Picture Removed

I removed the following link to a missing picture image link from the article and put it here temporarily until someone finds it:

Image:531palisade032302ecrop.jpg
531 Palisade Avenue, reputed to be the oldest house in Jersey City, is located in the Heights.

The article benefitted from the picture. If anyone knows where it went and could reupload it? Alansohn 03:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Ellis Island

Does anyone know why this was removed? I am going to restore it until I someone explains why it was removed. The court case deciding the ownership of Ellis Island was well publicized. I will add references.

The Statue of Liberty stands on Liberty Island and its address is 1 Communipaw Avenue, Jersey City, though the statue is maintained by the National Park Service. Likewise, Ellis Island is inside Jersey City's borders, but is managed jointly by the states of New Jersey and New York. The body of water that surrounds both islands is known as New York Harbor.

Liberty Island is not in NJ, as the Liberty Island page explains at some length. The address according to both the park service [1] and the postal service is Liberty Island, NY, NY 10004. 12.47.208.34 21:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed the part about the murders. I don't believe mentioning that belongs here, let alone on the introduction.

[edit] Neighborhoods

Though in the Heights doesn't The Western Slope qualify as a dinsticnt neighborhood?????

Maybe some of the neighborhoods can be given their own page with links from here, so more info and pics of each neighborhood can be shown.

From the link at the top of the neighborhood section is there a way to make a box of neighborhoods like in the Newark page.

Is there a public domain map showing neighborhoods that we could use? (Like the one for Brooklyn at http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/neighbor/neighl.shtml .) Constructive 17:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't remove it, but the sentence "Newport had a hand in the renaissance of Jersey City although, before ground was broken, much of the downtown area had already begun a steady climb (much like Hoboken)" seems biased as specifically trying to avoid crediting redevelopment. Newport may not deserve credit for starting the renovation of other parts of Jersey City, but at the same time it is incorrect that those parts were significantly self-improving in 1985 (when Newport started). It is also factually incorrect to make any sort of Hoboken connections since Hoboken was and is a very different place (no office buildings, limited redevelopment, strong residential housing stock) than Jersey City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.73.168.2 (talk) 22:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newark Ave?

I was wondering if the area on Newark Ave west of five corners had a name of its own or ifs just considered part of Journal Square. Nevermind

[edit] JCMC

Christmas Eve, climbing from Staten Island on Ocean Avenue towards Journal Square, I saw a collection of very imposing gray buildings on the skyline. Pedalling on over, I found the Jersey City Medical Center with a 1936 cornerstone. Apparently the decrepit old buildings have been abandoned and are being turned into residential condominiums. Does this former institution have a story that should be told? Jim.henderson 03:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

see Jersey City Medical Center —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 05:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC).
Splendid; thanks. I don't know how I missed it in previous searches. Please, someone, if my mention in the present article is inaccurate, misplaced or otherwise poor, move or improve it.
It was also a little difficult finding the article about JFK Boulevard. This summer while bicycling through Secaucus to Staten Island I chatted with some old folks who recommended climbing to "The Boulevard". They hadn't heard of JFK Blvd but I assume it's the same street.
Jim.henderson 16:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Other Noteable Jersey Cityans: Michael O'Koren = Basketball All - American North Carolina and NBA player (NJ Nets) James Sparnakel = Basketball ALL- American, Duke University and NBA player (Dallas Mavericks) Jim McMahon = Football All-American quarterback and NFL (Chicago Bears) John Valentin = Baseball - Seton Hall and Boston Red Sox 3rd baseman

[edit] Population Discrepancy

There seems to be a discrepancy in the population figure for 1970. The cources cited give two different figures. Here they are:

260,545: http://www.census.gov/population/documentation/twps0027/tab20.txt

260,350: http://www.wnjpin.net/OneStopCareerCenter/LaborMarketInformation/lmi01/poptrd6.htm

The 260,350 figure is the one that appears in the chart. However, if we went with 260,545, the percent-change figures would also change slightly. The loss from 1960 to 1970 would be -5.6%, and the loss from 1970 to 1980 would be -14.2%.

Which source should we trust?

Mistermind 15:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we should go for the data from 1970 census, pop. 260,545, for decadely census data is the only "official" source for population; estimate is estimate. Yassie 05:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that there are any oil refineries in Jersey City.

[edit] Checking punctuation

17-Aug-2007: Note that Wikipedia uses "logical quotation marks" with punctuation outside unless stating a direct quote:

  • Right: The 3 Stooges were named "Larry", "Moe", and "Curly".
  • Wrong: The 3 Stooges were named "Larry," "Moe," and "Curly."
  • Right: Einstein said, "Education is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18."
  • Wrong: W. Edwards Deming said, "There is no substitute for knowledge". (put period inside of direct quotations)

Note that typical American quotation marks are often interleaved with commas, not logically paired in the Wikipedia style. The use of logical quotation marks is similar to the nested pairing found in computer-language usage. -Wikid77 17:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Jersey Road Map

Though the contribution is appreciated, a road map of New Jersey's major highways and mention of nearby towns doesn't seem to add much to the article. The other map, which seems standard for Wikipedia, may be less colorful, already indicates JC's location within the state. Are there strong objections to removing it, or at least making it smaller and re-locating to a different section, such as transportation????Djflem 10:29, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cemetery deletion

Please voice an opinion as to whether the cemetery should be deleted from Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of burials at Bayview Cemetery, Jersey City. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 19:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] original World Trade Center Plotters

Met in an apartment in Jersey City. The plotters anatagonised the locals with their behaviour (basically scofflaw) (double parking and blocking in residents while they plotted). The blind Sheik strolled about acompanied by large palestinians. The idea for the 9/11 demolition was given by a so called terror expert on one of the major channels during the nights following the first explosion, he stated if you really want to bring down the towers you crash a plane loaded with fuel into the buildings. It was only good polcing that protected the local muslim population from vigilante justice,on the nights following the first explosion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paleocon (talk • contribs) 16:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

هاي —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.131.20 (talk) 04:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)