Talk:Jeri Ellsworth

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[edit] Anonymous edit

An anonymous editor (presumably Jens Schonfeld) added information to this article to claim that he co-designed the C One with Ellsworth.[1] Based on my anecdotal understanding, Ellsworth did work with Schonfeld, in that she designed the chip, and he handled the actual manufacturing in Germany, though there seems to be some disagreement about how much he was involved with the design. I've been unable to find any references which verify his claims though, so I've removed those edits from the article. If anyone else has another source of information that can be used as a citation, please feel free to re-add things. --Elonka 18:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting. You demand veryfying claims made here, but are making wild assumptions and claims yourself about the person who edited this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.237.169 (talk • contribs) 14:44, September 12, 2006

As is often done about editors who choose to remain anonymous.  :) Feel free to correct me though. --Elonka 20:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I am that anonymous editor and no, i am not Jens. I just cant let it stand that Jeri is stated as the sole maker of the C-One. Jeri made a just half-working board that Jens corrected and enhanced. And while doing this Jeri took Jens work and created the C64DTV. The C64DTV is made with Schönfeld money and Jens got nothing. That said, re-add the changes. (Anonymous on 01:50 13. September 2006 (GMT+1)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.135.154.131 (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry, but we can't just make changes of that nature on an anonymous contributor's say-so, I hope you understand why. Right now, the current information in the article is not based on Ellsworth's say-so either -- it's all derived from outside sources, such as newspaper articles. Can you provide any kind of proof for your version? This all happened a year and a half ago... Did Schonfeld file a lawsuit against C64DTV, or was there any type of public controversy at the time? Or in other words, how do you know that it's true? Also, to increase your credibility here, I recommend creating a login name. You can also sign your posts by adding four tildes at the end: ~~~~ --Elonka 04:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

(update) You may also wish to read the policy at WP:BLP, which governs the verifiability requirements concerning articles about living people. In a nutshell, nothing negative of any type can be added to a Wikipedia bio, unless it is clearly linked to an outside, verifiable and credible source of information, to confirm it. If information in an article cannot be verified, it can be removed immediately, by any editor, without discussion. --Elonka 07:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The editor was definitively not JS. What was added is the following: The C-One went into production with the help of JS. JS was responsible for the production. He is the owner of the boards - not JE. He has sold the boards, not JE. You can read through this on http://www.c64upgra.de (only in German). On this website, you can also find information on the former specification of the C-One. Many features are until now not available - which should also be mentioned here. It should just be mentioned. I think nearly nobody can judge, who is responsible for this. There was in the end to much misunderstnading between JE, JS and also many others... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.138.39.56 (talk • contribs) 03:08, September 13, 2006)

Thank you for the link. When I reviewed it, I found Ellsworth's name listed several places around the site, and a few mentions of Schonfeld, but nothing documenting their interaction [2]. Could you please point me to something specific? Or would it perhaps be sufficient to change things to include Schonfeld's name as a co-designer and manufacturer of the C-One, without going into any of the other politics involved? --Elonka 17:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

This is good enough for not going beserk about a balant lie. As said, Schönfeld got a more or less faulty board and created a working one. I dont have the article in English, but the Interview with Jens inside this issue of Lotek64 (a free as in beer retro computer magazine) could be of interest: http://www.lotek64.com/main/fileretriever.php?issue=15 . I hope this works from outside linking, otherwise its in issue 15. 83.135.152.22 08:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: It might be of interest that Jens AND Jeri should have made that interview, but Jeri refused. Instead she put forward her biggest fanboy, Bernado, and trough him said "I dont want to say anything".... is that only strange to me? ;) 83.135.152.22 08:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. Also, do you know if any of this information has been updated on the German Wikipedia? There seem to be German-language articles on both Ellsworth and the C-One, and that would be a good place to add any German-language reference. --Elonka 08:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• It is common knowledge that Jeri was commissioned by Jens to do this work for him. She even got paid. Then she sold the design for a second time, to make the DTV. Jeri Ellsworth is the biggest gigalamer in the world. Liar and thief! --194.251.240.113 15:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fact Dispute

The article says that Jeri was introduced to the C64 at age 7. That would have been 1981, which was one year before the C64 was publicly demonstrated. The C64 officially went on sale just in time for Christmas in 1982. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.228.163.254 (talk) 04:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)