User talk:Jeff5102

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Hello Jeff5102, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, some of your edits have not conformed to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy, and have been reverted. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media.

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!  JoshuaZ 14:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC) p.s. I completely agree in your attidude towards Adnan Oktar, but the Wikipedia rules and guidelines still need to be followed. JoshuaZ 14:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Oktar

Comments like "not even a shred of scientific credibility" and calling him ignorant are still POV problems. Please see for examples how to phrase these sorts of things the articles on Creationism, and the Creation-Evolution Controversy. JoshuaZ 13:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Your comments on Harun Yahya made me laugh. I studied science. I got scholarships. I didn't see what an undergraduate biology student should be able to see through Harun Yahya's books, hahahaha. If you can't understand scientific facts, don't blame him. Zahid 19:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Just follow the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons and read it.Jitt 08:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harun Yahya

Please take a look at Talk:Adnan_Oktar#Orwell_section. --Nkv 06:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revenge edits?

Hi Jeff -

I tried in good faith to assist with language problems, NPOV issues and subjects requiring verification in the biographical article on Adnan Oktar. I asked for references, again, in good faith. If the issues claimed in the biography did indeed occur then it's important they are documented appropriately. You did provide references - most of which are from a site which clearly promotes itself as non-neutral where Oktar is concerned. While the inclusion of material from "both sides" is important - independant references are also useful - and that's what I was asking for.

You then posted this:

I am a little bit critical, but I do not see any proper references in your articles about cyclids. please make proper references (preferably from international media) or I had better chop out the unsourced allegations. (and I am serious about this!) Jeff5102 20:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

On my talk page - which I presume is meant to be a threat/revenge of some kind. You then proceeded to make vandalic edits to Cardiopharynx and Amphilophus_citrinellus under the guise of "inadequate referencing" (when both articles are referenced as required by the Fish Project group). You then reverted your own changes.

I stress again, I had (and have) good intentions towards the Adnan Oktar article. MidgleyDJ 23:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I consider this very strange. I DID give references from more sides/sites, but at first you deleted parts of my text where I made references from other sides (and probably with the best intentions) and second you asked a lot of references from a paragraph that originated from one article (which I gave you in good faith), and the next thing you do, is complaining that the most references I gave are from one site. That is bizarre.

Furthermore: I need to prove every single word I am using by "international media" (even when I write about times when mr. Oktar had only a bit fame abroad) or "both sides" (also about topics where Oktar-admirers are silent about).

On the other hand, you consider it as normal to insert some criticism about Copper Healing, and you did not care to give any reference to it. And about those fish, you think it is enough to use only one frontpage of a site as a reference (plus a book I cannot read from here).

That is bizarre, unfair and hypocritical. If your intentions are as good as you claim they are, please look for some more references yourself. You are welcome to edit the article about Oktar in such a way that it fits your standards. Or do it at your own articles. Because I think it is not only me is not only me who needs to fulfil your standards; there is still a lot that needs to be done at those cyclid-pages you made yourself.Jeff5102 15:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, Thanks for the message on my talk page. Let's agree to disagree over this, I think we both want to same thing and have somehow crossed paths. All the best, David. MidgleyDJ 21:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ADNAN OKTAR

Dear Jeff,

We kindly ask you not to revert to editions we make on the article about Mr. Adnan Oktar. Your editions do not reflect the truths about Mr. Oktar and his ideas, and misguides the readers.

We hope you will respect this resquest.

Thank you in advance.

Best Regards85.107.248.107 15:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Birch Society

You made a good point about not needing references, because the material was covered in the other articles that were linkable on their names.  I don't know why, but I hadn't thought of that.  Good catch. Yosemite1967 05:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S.  Are you stalking my contributions?  Yosemite1967 20:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Umbro sponsorships

Please add references to Umbro sponsorships if you can, otherwise it's likely to be deleted. Thanks, --  Chzz  ►  03:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)