Talk:Jat people/Archive 4

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Contents 1 This page should be a dismbiguation page 2 Created disambig page on Jat 3 The Mistake is still going strong 4 Warning! This article is being misused and untruths are are being promoted here once again 5 Article Issues

[edit] This page should be a dismbiguation page

Currently, it redirects to Jat People. There is a municipality in Maharashtra, India with the name Jat.

This town is in Sangli district.

asnatu 20:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Created disambig page on Jat

I have created disambig page on Jat. A new page for Jat (Sangli) is also created which may be expanded. --burdak 07:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Mistake is still going strong

Can someone provide the cultural similarities between the Jaats of Haryana and the Jatts of Punjab of India and Pakistan.There is none.They are different tribes and communities.There are huge factual mistakes in this article.Ajjay (talk) 19:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Ajjay You are wrong and full of Total POV. I totally disagree with you, you wrong. Provide at least 5 reliable academic references for such wild claims e.g. PhDs or Professors instead of just wild pov.--G675 (talk) 13:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there is a PH.D on Jatt people in any Indian university.Why don't you provide me with the reason why the Jaats and Jatts don't have common surnames, when these surnames are shared by Jatts of Indian and Pakistani Punjab.Also there are many Jatts who live in Haryana also but share nothing common; Surnames or culture, with Jaats of Haryana, which they share with Jatts of Punjabs. Sometimes the knowledge of a native person is more correct than a Professor living thousands of miles away.I know that wiki relies only on references, even though they might be wholly wrong ,that is why i did not make any changes(One can't change the rules).And majority of Jatts or Jaats listed in this article are more or less Rajputs.LOL Ajjay (talk) 15:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Ajjay, please don't spread racist propaganda. There was no "Haryana" until 1966. Haryana was carved out of the state of Punjab in 1966. So, there is no question of Jats of Haryana and Punjab being different. "Jatts", "Jat", "Jaats" are variations of the same word. Jat is a large group, and geographical variations have resulted in some differences in dialects and culture. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, the first Jat kingdoms appeared in Mursān in Uttar Pradesh, Bharatpur in Rājasthān, and Patiāla in Punjab. Obviously, Jats of UP, Rajasthan, Punjab and Haryana (formerly part of Punjab) will have cultural differences. Your others edits on pages clearly (like Sikh Rajputs) prove that you have a racial complex because you want to spread false information about Jats and Rajputs. Wikipedia is not for racist ideologies. Read some good books intead of spreading racist views against Jats and Rajputs. Please dont insult Jats and Rajputs by "LOL" (Laughing out Loud). Take care.SikhiVicky (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not insulting anybody.If some one gets hurt by a fact, then he is obviously caste senstive.As for saying that Haryana was part of Punjab, then even Himachal Pradesh was a part of Punjab.Does that make all Himachalis jats too.And the Princley state of Patiala was never jattts.They are Bhatti Rajputs.If you doubt that, then go and ask the former Cm of Punjab about his origins.As for spreading racial propaganda, it is you my friend.Look at you username.And i don't need to tell you that Jatts are wholly different from Rajputs.Jatts have never been Kings.Why don't you explain the origins of jats, who you claim to be one.Ajjay (talk) 14:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

This is my last post on this article and i won't be repeating or replying.I don't have forever to waste my time on on single piece of writing , that belongs to a source which is or has become like a forum.

Please read this and add necessary information to the article,afterall all facts must be presented in truthfulness.Ajjay (talk) 15:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ajjay

Though I agree with you absolutely what you are saying, Jat(Haryana, UP, Rajasthan) & Jatts (Punjab& Pakistani)are totally different which should be mentioned in this article or we should create aseprate article for Punjabi Jatts, but I completely disagree with you when you say that Jatts were never Kings how can anyone forget Sher A Punjab Maharaja Ranjit Singh greatest of them all (he was a Sandhu) and so many of them...if you mentioned about Patiala being Bhatti Rajput which they claim..but you know how it was in ancient India the Kings courts and admistration was dominated by Brahmins and they used to pursued or influence upon Kings & powerfull people for cornation cermonies and annouce them that they belonge to Suryavanshi, Chandrvanshi etc decendents...I hope you get my point. Harrybabbar (talk) 15:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warning! This article is being misused and untruths are are being promoted here once again

On 5th of February I removed several advertising images for books and one each for a movie and a computer game from the article as advertising is not allowed on the Wikipedia. I also indicated that Chaudhari Devi Lal was a previous Deputy Prime Minister of India - not the current one as the caption to his image seems to indicate. (He died in 2001 - so there is no way he can be the current Deputy Prime Minister).

On that very same day (5th Feb.), someone calling themselves "Paper Scholar" User: Paper Scholar reversed both of my changes with the comment "rv pov edits & removed vandalism"! Now, I wrote to this "Paper Scholar" and explained why I removed the advertising material but there has been no reply. He or she has only has one word on their user page ("hello"), and they have, apparently, only made this one edit - so it is logical to assume that "Paper Scholar" may well be a "sockpuppet" for someone else who is not game enough to put their own name to their vandalism.

I often wonder if some people are deliberately trying to make Jats look ridiculous in this article!

I will now restore the edits I made - but if they are tampered with again without good reason I shall have to report this matter to the Administrators. Best wishes to all the good people out there who have been helping make this an accurate and useful article. Cheers. John Hill (talk) 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article Issues

"The Jatt people follow different faiths and are engaged in different professions. They have a discrete and distinct cultural history that can be historically traced back to ancient times.[9][10]"

I agree 100% with the above statement, so maybe now we should have some famous Pakistani Jatts included in this article. There are many people from Chaudary Shujat Hussain (Former Pakistani Prime Minister) to Chaudary Aitizaz Ahsan (Critically Acclaimed Barrister). You should also include famous Jatts from other faiths such as Hinduism and any other faiths that they belong too.

Tna (talk) 22:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)