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[edit] Archived discussion

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Harvard shield-Law.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:Harvard shield-Law.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. -- BJBot (talk) 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC) [Ed: emphasis mine]

Done. --jacobolus (t) 21:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
It's not showing up on the Harvard Law page...any thoughts? Cjs2111 (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm confused about that. I tried clearing the cache a few times, but that didn't work, so I'm not exactly sure what the deal is. --jacobolus (t) 10:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I converted it to a .jpg...a bit messier, but it works. Cjs2111 (talk) 03:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, that's certainly not a great solution. Then someone will still come delete the png file for being an orphan. --jacobolus (t) 04:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Baltimore Sun.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:Baltimore Sun.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, [... so was deleted.] BetacommandBot (talk) 01:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:DaveBrubeckQuartetAtCarnegieHall.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:DaveBrubeckQuartetAtCarnegieHall.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. [...] BetacommandBot (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indexed color article completely rewritten

Hi. I think this would make you happy. Please, rating requested. Yours. -Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 21:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your Barnstar! I still expanded and rearranged a bit the article and related... We're in the way to A-class rating... X-D. Some more ideas? The next milestones I marked myself are 8-bit color and Color Lookup Table, but the Wiki activity is time consuming. In other hand, I retouch a bit the "Color depth" template. I hope it will like everyone, but I'm not satisfied with the "1/8 byte" notation for the 1-bit monochrome case myself. Suggestions welcome. The last thing: I was considering to join the Color WikiProject, but after some available (and productive!) days, I'm afraid that I'll left Wikipedia for a long; the job calls me again, you know. See you, and thanks again! -Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 18:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rating requested for Palette (computing)

Hi. The article is now far from being a stub. Dicklyon (talk) and me are now trying to give it a more definitive edit. Your rating will be appreciated.

In other hand, Dicklyon and me were engaged in a "war of editions" recently (at some point, up to 3RR). But it seems that we are collaborative right now, after some mutual agreements. I know both of us won barnstars from you. Maybe you want to be a thrird opinion (3O), in order to avoid to become tense again. Note, not a formal asking, actually; to be 3O is up to you, of course. Yours. Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 15:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RGB color model article improvements

Hi. I did many expansions and reordering in the RGB color model article, also following some of your suggestions. Take a trip and enjoy! You can also help me with typos and parlance. The article is near complete now; it only lacks basic info about scanners, I think. I tried to focus the article for a non very specialized audience, so I slighty departed from Dicklyon's approach (while keeping his contributions). Please, help us to reach Class-A quality (I specially hate the "citations needed" tag), and perhaps a future "featured article" candidature... RGB is a very popular topic, and I think the current edition is nearly a root input for this. Yours. Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 19:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey! I already added a "scanners" section too! :-D Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 20:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help in color articles

I'm sure Ricardo and I would welcome more help from you in RGB color model and gamma correction, so we don't have to fight it out ourselves. Dicklyon (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

We're pretty stuck in both, still, or again. I'm tempted to revert all his nonsense again, but I don't think we'd make net progress that way. Can you weight in with some talk or some edits to help? Dicklyon (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photo request

Please photograph The Old Spite House in Marblehead, Massachusetts for spite house. I believe that it is on Orne St, perhaps at Orne St & Gas House Ln, Marblehead, MA 01945. Also, if you would photograph Hull Skinny House at 44 Hull St, Boston, MA 02113 for that same article, I would be most thankful. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, please photograph the O'Reilly Spite House located at 260 Concord Ave, Cambridge, MA 02138 if you are in that area. GregManninLB (talk) 01:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Fresh Air.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:Fresh Air.png. The media description page specified that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it was orphaned, so was deleted. BJBot (talk) 12:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Fresh_Air.png. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. [...] Thank you. Melesse (talk) 05:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay. This image was deleted, then undeleted, in the last few days. I added a nominal fair use rationale. I'm not sure about what exactly all the protocols are for such rationales, nor do I have time now to figure it out. If someone wants to expand that, feel free. It should be pretty self-explanatory. --jacobolus (t) 03:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading Image:Fresh Air.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned. NotifyBot (talk) 12:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

No it's not orphaned. —jacobolus (t) 18:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] California photo requests now by County

I just spent the past few days moving all the California photo requests into County categories to make it easier for photographers to locate requests in the locations where they take photos. Please consider monitoring and adding your name to the list at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Los Angeles County, California and the other So. Cal. counties. GregManninLB (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm living in Boston during the school year, so I won't do that just yet. --jacobolus (t) 16:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for Wikipedians for a User Study

Hello. I am a graduate student in the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the University of Minnesota. We are conducting research on ways to engage content experts on Wikipedia. Previously, Wikipedia started the Adopt-a-User program to allow new users to get to know seasoned Wikipedia editors. We are interested in learning more about how this type of relationship works. Based on your editing record on Wikipedia, we thought you might be interested in participating. If chosen to participate, you will be compensated for your time. We estimate that most participants will spend an hour (over two weeks on your own time and from your own computer) on the study. To learn more or to sign up contact KATPA at CS dot UMN dot EDU or User:KatherinePanciera/WPMentoring. Thanks. KatherinePanciera (talk) 02:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] City of Ganca

Hello Jacobolus. Per our conversation with Golbez, I redirected Ganca to Ganja (city). I think it should still redirect to the city bypassing the marijuana stuff. Let me know what you think. --Kimse (talk) 06:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Color temperature

Hello, Jacob. Do you think any of those ELs contain information—related to this article—not already mentioned? I think the article overshadowed them long ago. The "further reading" is just the list of references that existed before I added citations. Perhaps if the entries contained page and chapter number that specifically addressed the topic I'd understand, but as it is they are not helpful. (Respond here, if you like.)

--Adoniscik(t, c) 04:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] HSB in RGB color model article

Hi. You stripped away twice my HSB example in the RGB color model article. Yes, it's merely an example, but it's an interesting one 'cos its geometric representation isn't a cube, but a cone. Your proposals Lab and YUV have cubes as their geometric representations, the same as RGB. So please, "rescue" again the HSB example in order to cite al least an 3-component color model that don't map to a cube. Yours. Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 18:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Adobe LiveMotion.png

Thanks for uploading Image:Adobe LiveMotion.png. You've indicated that the image meets Wikipedia's criteria for non-free content, but there is no explanation of why it meets those criteria. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. If you have any questions, please post them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.

Thank you for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 15:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comet

If you plan to rip out the majority of an article, please take it to the talk page. Thanks. --jacobolus (t) 20:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I've justified each one of my edits. Please, don't bulk revert-me. If you object any specific removal, just let me know. --Damiens.rf 20:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I disagre with you Damiens, it seams you have a habit of pushing through your point of view. Giving a reason for an edit is not automatically a justification. I suggest to continue on the article's talk page and discuss further changes. - 83.254.208.192 (talk) 23:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you refuse to continue a discussion on the talk page. I'm quite willing to entertain suggestions for (even drastic) changes to the article. It's only chopping out the major part of it, while providing limited and rather unconvincing justifications, that I oppose, particularly considering I wrote the majority of the article. Please explain more specifically what you find wrong with it, perhaps one section at a time, so we can improve the article. If you keep reverting to the chopped-down-to-useless version, however, I will have to assume that your aim is disruption, not article improvement, and I will seek out some administrator to block you. That would be wholly unnecessary though, if you leave the main article as is for a bit, and work to reach consensus on the talk page instead. Cheers! —jacobolus (t) 10:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
You haven't looked for consensus before turning that article in a huge advertisement of your company and your friends. You haven't even used edit summaries (do you believe it would have passed calmly if you had been sijncer enough to write summaries like "Adding quotation in big font from my friend Ales", or "Adding link to my website"...)
Thankfully, someone is already working in the article by now. --Damiens.rf 16:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Can we move on. Instead of being driven away by personal attacks, would you be interested with your technical knowledge to comment on the outstanding technical questions? There seams overlapping between AJAX/push/pull technologies and I also think the article introduction would benefit from a rewrite, see article talk page. - 83.254.208.192 (talk) 18:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

From a technical perspective I have done my best to contribute to the Comet article. Frankly there was a big amount of promotion, I think with the cleaned up article developers can finally understand what Comet is and possibly contribute to your project. One big question remains, should the article stay or be merged with push technology or Ajax (programming), it would be great if you could comment on the talk page. - 83.254.208.192 (talk) 02:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Um, what? The Comet article now has no technical content whatsoever. —jacobolus (t) 06:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be so because "Comet", as an independent technical concept, adds very few to other pre-existing technical concepts (that are themselves linked in the article)? --Damiens.rf 11:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Those linked articles also have almost no technical content, so I would say no, that's not the reason. —jacobolus (t) 13:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The article as of today links primarily to Ajax, Push technology and web technologies. Jacobulus you have been caught lobbying for Comet, you redirected and deleted about 5 articles despite objections from others and constantly are hiding the fact that Comet is more or less Ajax. I understand that you are frustrated that your article has been changed, but when adding material to Wikipedia you should be prepared to face a peer review. You are very well entitled to express your opinion, perhaps an online magazine or blog would be better suited to write about your project. If something is technical wrong or if related articles lack content please help with your knowledge. - 83.254.208.192 (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Well put. For writing commet-promoting articles free of peer-review, your blog cometdaily.com, and not Wikipedia, is the best suited place. --Damiens.rf 16:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The articles about “Ajax” and “Push technology” are very poor by Wikipedia standards, with barely any sources, confusing incomplete descriptions, full of technical jargon, and almost incomprehensible for readers not already familiar with the subject. I'm not sure what “more or less Ajax” means, but I certainly have no interest in “hiding” that “Comet” is closely related to “Ajax.” There is apparently no remaining reason to express my understanding (even with a plethora of sources), since the three of you have decided it worthless. Cheers. —jacobolus (t) 22:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The article on "Comet" that you single-handed wrote was also extremely "poor by Wikipedia standards". You should know that these standards include (above anything), a neutral point of view, attribution to reliable sources and no original research. The articles you mention are, at least, more welcoming for new contributions than the beast you created.
Please, consider putting your technical knowledge at the service of these articles. Based on your edit history, I'm reluctant to believe you're here just for self-promotion. Please, don't prove me wrong. --Damiens.rf 00:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
A) You should stop the personal attacks. B) You should stop making false accusations. C) You should take a step back, take a deep breath, and chill out. D) You should attempt to work collaboratively. This is an encyclopedia project, not a 1st-grade playground. —jacobolus (t) 17:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Jacobolus, you said that the article about Ajax is "very poor by Wikipedia standards", however the Ajax programming article has been in fact listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. - 83.254.208.192 (talk) 10:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
All that means is that one editor thought it was good. The process for becoming a “good article” is nearly meaningless. The Ajax article has nearly no sources, is full of normative statements, and would be quite difficult for a layman to understand. This article on Comet would certainly have become a “good article” if the same reader who promoted the Ajax article had judged it. Re-reading the Ajax article, it clearly fails criteria 1, 2, 3, and 6 of WP:GACR. —jacobolus (t) 19:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

When you started edit warring to preserve your article I decided based upon your long edit history to try my best to keep discussion civil and prevent this from escalating up the dispute ladder; I am finding this increasingly difficult. I allowed your version of the article to remain for several days in order for you to address our concerns, I have tried to engage in calm discussion on the talk page and have taken things slowly giving you time to respond. I intend (although real life sometimes drags me from wikipedia) to give what help I can making the comet article respectable and working on improving the mess that area is in on wiki. If you would like to help in a non-disruptive manner I will continue to attempt to have the other editors forgive (or at least not react to) your past problems with this article. Otherwise; feel free to edit some of the many other articles on wikipedia. I know it sucks when consensus is against you and something you have put work into is destroyed, but you have to accept the wikipedia system. I do not appreciate being accused of vandalism or being canvassed against, if you continue in your current vein I do not think I will have any alternative but to get a neutral* admin involved. You've been on wikipedia long enough to know how COI conflicts usually go, try to look at it from my point of view and think about how you would view your actions.

  • Neutral as in not one either of us have previously interacted with. If you're surmising from this footnote that I no longer trust you not to get some admin-friend of yours to come in on this you're dead right.

Restepc (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I have remained civil, engaged in discussion on the article talk page, stopped the edit warring (despite it being IMO more than justified, as the edits I was “warring” with were purely destructive), certainly have not been disruptive in the manner you suggest, and I have not undertaken any canvassing, nor have I accused you of vandalism. I find the accusations insulting, and I suggest you stop with them. As for “I intend (although real life sometimes drags me from wikipedia) to give what help I can making the comet article respectable and working on improving the mess that area is in on wiki.”, I would like to see such actual help. I haven't seen much if any so far, but you and anyone else are encouraged to work on these articles constructively. [Edit to add: You seem despite your lack of experience with the subject to have good intentions at least, so I trust that once you have researched it more fully you will recognize that what I wrote is accurate, valuable content.] Cheers! —jacobolus (t) 02:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Three points:
[1] seems a lot like an accusation of vandalism to me.
I realise by now you're not going to agree, but the massive change in the article recently was a large part of the help to make the article respectable.
Accuracy wasn't the problem; it was an overly long article written like a magazine article rather than an encyclopedic article with NPOV problems, some vanity aspects, and massive amounts of synthesis original research and unsourced statements; all written by a highly COIed editor. The article as you wrote it wasn't wrong, and would probably be considered very valuable on a website like cometdaily, but was completely unsuitable for wikipedia. Restepc (talk) 03:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
First, you will note that I was not responding there to you. Your second point equates "nothing" with "respectable". If so, Wikipedia continues to get less respectable every time any content is added. Your third point is exaggerated and frankly mostly wrong. The greater part of the article as I wrote it was simple explanation and factual statements. Some of them were poorly sourced, to be sure, but much less so than 99% of similar-subject articles on Wikipedia (i.e. those about web technologies, etc.). The arguments provided on the talk page don't even close to justify the absolute butchery that has taken place. I would still appreciate an apology for your baseless accusations, but at this point I have mostly given up expectations of common courtesy. --jacobolus (t) 04:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Somehow I don't think we're going to agree on this, I'm going to continue to watch over that article for a while, and I still say you're welcome to help, but you would be more than optimistic to expect your version to ever be restored. Restepc (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)