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Contents 1 Utter Nonsense 2 Conspiracy!? 3 Conspiracy section needs to be rewritten? 4 Order of the Rising Sun 5 Jewish anti-Christian maniac banker? 6 "helped finance Russian Revolution of 1917 "?

[edit] Utter Nonsense

If somebody without analytical or critical faculties read this page they'd walk away not realising that this chap basically funded several sides in World War One. He was a war profiteer, and thousands of Jews died to realise his vision of an Israeli state (including my own great grandmother). Yet this article makes it sound as if he is one step short of being cannonised. Lies and more lies. WhyLie? 11:32, 12 March 2008 (ET)

I don't know much about Jacob Schiff, but I plan to learn more. I therefore cannot yet argue with the factual content of this article, but the language is blatantly biased.

To call Schiff a traitor to America and an anti-Semite within the first paragraph, when he helped fund Japan's war against the anti-Semitic tsars who allowed & encouraged pogroms is just inappropriate, if not entirely inaccurate. I intend to do all I can to change the language of this article, if not the 'facts', to something more objective.

LordAmeth 13:47, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy!?

Now that I have finished reading the article, I feel it quite necessary that I look into more about Jacob Schiff. I find it unbelievable that Schiff, the Rothchilds and others would have been involved in a conspiracy to control the American banks, to choose a president, and to fund Hitler. Either there's something very few of us know about going on here, or the author(s) of this article mistakenly believes in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or something. This sounds like one of those Area 51, Freemasons gov't conspiracy sort of things. Absurd.

LOL yeah right, what an absurd thing to suggest....I fear for the idiots of the world! Try visiting http://www.white-history.com/index.htm

Area 51, Freemanons gov't conspiracy sort of things - LOL

Jews run just about everything from the US govt, international banks, global economy etc, you idiot!

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the future controls the past." (Orwell 1984)

Who controls the Federal Reserve? It is a private company owned by member banks. And who controls the banks? I bet 99.99% of people in the world don't know that it is a private company, and the people who set it up in 1913 are the Warburgs, Schiffs, Roshshilds. But shhhh. Don't tell anybody. The world government has not yet be set up completely. There are still five countries left whos Central Banks are not controlled by the crew: Iran, North Korea, Lybia, Cuba, Sudan. --Jparu 02:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy section needs to be rewritten?

Seems more like a defense of him, rather than an encyclopediac statement of facts. Chad Hennings 22:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

This is due in part to the fact that the previous version of the article was wholly factually untrue, and I was trying to rewrite from that. It is also due to the fact that the allegations often made against him are so absurd as to deserve this sort of treatment. If there is anything I've written which you feel is untrue, feel free to change it. As long as you do not change the language so that it lends credence to the false accusations of conspiracy theories... LordAmeth 22:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order of the Rising Sun

An anonymous user just changed the article from reading that Schiff was "one of the first foreigners to be conferred the Order of the Sacred Treasures" to "the first foreigner to be conferred the Order of the Rising Sun." Is this true? I don't think I would have written the former if my sources hadn't said this was so; can anyone corroborate that the latter (the new version) is the correct one? LordAmeth 00:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Glover with Iwasaki Yanosuke, the son of the founder of Mitsubishi.

The following excerpt from Thomas Blake Glover does seem to conflict with one clearly plausible sentence in the article about Jacob Schiff; but in the absence of a something more, I'd be unprepared to change either text. --Ooperhoofd 19:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

"Glover was a key figure in the industrialisation of Japan, founding a shipbuilding company, which was later to become the Mitsubishi Corporation of Japan. He also helped found the Japan Brewery Company, which later became the major Kirin Brewery Company, Ltd. It is rumoured that the moustache of the mythical creature featured on Kirin beer labels is in fact a tribute to Glover (who sported a similar moustache)." [1]

"In recognition of these achievements, he was awarded the Order of the Rising Sun (second class), the first non-Japanese to receive such an honour."

This will not resolve all our unanswered questions, but at least we can know that Schiff was not the first non-Japanese to be honored with a decoration by the Japanese government. In this narrow context, I've stumbled across two plausibly relevant bits of information: (1) The Order of the Sacred Treasure was awarded to German physicist, Heinrich Hertz (1857-1894), who was the inventor of the wireless telegraph; and (2) Hilda Chen Apuy (1923-____) was said to be the first Latin American honored by Japanese government when she received the Order of the Sacred Treasure.[2] Could it be that further research will reveal that Schiff was the first US citizen to be receive an Japanese government decoration honor? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Neither Glover nor Hertz were the first to be awarded the Order of the Rising Sun. That singular honor actually belongs to U.S. Army Col. J.R. Wasson who, according to the New York Times, was given "the decoration of the Rising Sun, of the Imperial Order of Meiji, a distinction no other foreigner ever enjoyed." The Times reported that the colonel was recognized by Emperor Meiji as a consequence of his conduct in the 1874 expedition against Formosa. -- "A Victory for the Chinese; Japanese Driven with Heavy Loss from Ping-yang", New York Times, August 22, 1894.] --Ooperhoofd (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

ISSUE RESOLVED: Two sources confirm that Schiff was, in fact, the 1st foreigner to be personally decorated with the Order of the Rising Sun by Emperor Meiji on Wednesday, March 28, 1907. As it happens, Schiff was also the first non-governmental foreigner to be invited to lunch at the Imperial Palace. -- (1) Adler, Cyrus (1921). Jacob Henry Schiff: A Biographical Sketch, p. 14.; and (2) Sakamoto, Pamela Rotner. (1998). Japanese Diplomats and Jewish Refugees, p. 17. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 00:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish anti-Christian maniac banker?

There are no reference citations for the following text, so I moved it here. It may be that Ppprovider will choose to expand or defend his edit in this venue. We'll see .... --Ooperhoofd 15:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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"These Christians are but a few of the 100,000,000 Christian innocents who were exterminated by All Anti-Christian Jewish Red Commissars in Russia under the orders of Trotsky, the Jewish Commissar of Commissars. Yet Spielberg will never Direct a "Schindler's List" Movie for them or their genocide. Why is that? Because Jews did it."

"My relatives and my fellow Christians were murdered in the USSR under Jewish Marxism between 1917-1945, and many of the Marxists came to Russia from New York to do this to Christians in 1917 after Jacob Schiff, the Jewish anti-Christian maniac banker who owned The Guaranty National Trust, the largest bank in the United States, financed Lenin and Trotsky $35 million for the Red Revolution and the mass killing of these Christian souls. We must never forget this."

[edit] "helped finance Russian Revolution of 1917 "?

"helped finance, among many other things, the Russian Revolution of 1917": is there a proof/citation for that anywhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notkidding (talk • contribs) 08:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)