Talk:Jackie Gleason
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This is a rather incomplete biography with regards to Gleason's off-the-set life. In particular it is completely silent on his alcoholism--Gleason was a notorious drinker and would even drink scotch from a teacup on camera. One of his homes was built with twenty fully-stocked bars, while another had a huge circular bar replicating that of his favorite New York watering hole. 130.91.64.44 16:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Also some POV problems here. Koyaanis Qatsi 05:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
It is also well-known that Gleason had a notoriously heavy smoking addition. He claimed in a 60-minutes interview in the 1980's that he smoked 5 packs of cigarettes per day. This is evidenced by the fact that he was seldom seen on or off camera without a cigarette.
[edit] Cleanup
I put cleanup tags on this article for the same reasons I outlined on Talk: Milton Berle. This article isn't as bad, but the tone in some places is just not formal enough for an encyclopedia. And there are some claims that it makes that could really use sources. Gershwinrb 08:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
This is obviously a loving rewrite by someone, but I did a first pass for style/tone and POV. I also changed the British spellings of some words (or Australian perhaps?). There is still a long way to go; I didn't want to change it TOO much, especially at a first go. Still a bit too effusive for an encyclopedic article. 152.163.100.68 07:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I remember the music director as being Ray Bloch. Gleason, during the monologue, would suddenly notice Ray (whose bald head was shining in the lights), point toward him and announce "Ladies and Gentlemen, there he is, the flower of the musical world, Ray Bloch". The TV camera would then pan over to Ray who would take a bow.
It was Ray Bloch in the early years and Sammy Spear later. I'll insert a line to that effect. 64.12.116.201 01:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality
Even the first few paragraphs seem to be biased, or at least have a copious amount of weasel words. For example, "Gleason repeatedly proved himself to be as capable a dramatic actor as he was a comedian" is obviously not neutral. If someone who knows more about the subject than I do could help, that would be appreciated. --Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 20:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not seeing any weasel words. It's just a value statement about the subject's artistic capability, and such statements are necessary in explaining why an artist is noteworthy. But it's not sourced, and that's certainly a neutrality problem. Mind you, just get rid of the "repeatedly" and it seems as though the Oscar nomination in a dramatic role is citation enough. The motion picture Academy is certainly an authority on dramatic ability, I'd think. --Stellmach 15:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I just completed a casual read, and I don't see any major problems. (There was a called move in the Madison named "the Jackie Gleason", which is what brought me here.) Including too much detail about someone's failings in life (he smoked 5 packs a day. he ate a high fat diet. he ate animal flesh.) is a bit tabloidish. Now, if someone dies from lung cancer, it may be relevant.Steve Pastor 15:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it difficult to keep any entry as neutral as is wished when, by this Encyclopaedia's very nature, it's certain to be written by enthusiasts rather than the strictly academic, from whom it's impossible to eliminate all exuberance? [Heath St John, England]. 10:06, 27/12/'06.
You can be exuberant, just quote other sources when you're doing it. At least in my opinion. 70.114.14.25 09:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the subsequent section in the biography, "Dramatic Gleason" well enough substantates Gleason's dramatic achievements. 70.77.95.238 23:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- The Dramatic Gleason" section reads like it was lifted from an uncredited source. Phrases such as "comic pathos of the Poor Man" and use of the word "hardware" to mean an Oscar seem completely inconsistent with the preceding material. That's where I quit fine-tuning.
- --NameThatWorks 17:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
