Talk:Jack T. Chick/Archive 1

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Contents 1 where? 2 NPOV stupid 3 various quibbles 4 When? 5 Is Chick a dispensationalist? 6 Confusing wording 7 Possible copyright problem 8 Jack Chick Museum of Fine Art: Pro-Chick? 9 JohanL's changes 10 Big Daddy refutation? 11 Dropping 'infamous' and 'extremist' 12 Non-believer ironic "appreciation" 13 In defense of Jack Chick 14 Anti-canadian hate vandalism removed 15 "Relatively neutral" 16 His wife 17 His Paranoid Message and world 18 Cleanup needed 19 Pruned text 20 No photograph? 21 External links

where?

I had never heard of jack chick until a few years ago, and now it seems he's fairly well known. Has his work received wider readership/interest for any reason? Meelar 00:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Fark.com. Seriously. I don't think anyone knew about him until Fark started linking to him regularly. RadicalBender 00:17, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

This article could probably use a section on reactions to Chick tracts. Certainly everyone I know finds his material unintentionally hilarious. And if it's been mentioned on Fark, it's not an isolated phenomenon, but probably how a large segment of the population knows about his work.--128.163.161.40 1 July 2005 11:08 (UTC)

I have to disagree; I lived in the American South until 1993, and his tracts were well-known there. Chip Unicorn 21:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Heck. Chick's been around a long time, lurking in laundromats and phone booths. Fark just made him bigtime. -- Decumanus 00:18, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

His tracts can often be found anywhere where people can discreetly drop them off. I've found them in laundromats and newspaper dispensers. I found one in a bathroom stall, which seemed appropriate. People have found his tracks in the pews of Catholic churches, which I suppose is as welcome as Mein Kampf being left in a synagogue.--RLent 22:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I think (but can't confirm, or I'd have put it in the article) that he's mostly a phenomenon in the U.S. south (aside from fark of course). Most of the tracts I was handed in Texas were his; most of those up here in MN aren't. - Hephaestos|§ 00:20, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I learned about him in wisconsin, and I've seen his tracts here in Ohio. And what the heck is fark? Sam [Spade] 20:08, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fark.com? Jonathan Grynspan

He's also well-known in the roleplaying scene ever since he published "Dark Dungeons", which (along with groups like BADD) led to the stigmatization of roleplaying by many conservative Christians.

I first learned about him in the late 1980s from Ivan Stang's book on odd subcultures, High Weirdness By Mail. In that article, a page of a very lurid Chick comic was shown as well as an isolated panel or two. Once I'd had exposure, then I started to notice it on the fringes of mainstream culture. Not prominent, but there if you were sensitized to it, invisible if you weren't. Catbar (Brian Rock) 18:42, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I first heard of him a few years ago on a pagan forum where his tracts were a regular source of humor. Since then I've shared them with many people, and lost count of how many I've read myself and I've yet to see any results. I'm still an athiest, rock fan and role-player. The best result I've ever seen to his work is laughter. Danikat 20:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of fark.com, but I've know about "Chick Tracts" and "Chick Comics" for about 25 years. Not at all a "southern" phenomenon. They were fairly well known in the conservative Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian culture of Western Pennsylvania (where I lived) and Central PA (where I attended college). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.240.28.152 (talk)

Not only a US phemonenon. Hate to say it, but I'm Mexican and I live in northern Mexico, and sadly he is also known here, I know firsthand. Not as much as in the States, but it is not hard to drop into someone who has seen these tracts. He is also known in the Área Metropolitana (The Area surrounding the capital city of Mexico. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.156.15.78 (talk) 19:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

NPOV stupid

Is there any NPOV way of noting how spectacularly stupid this guy is? :) --Furrykef 19:53, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

easy, just ad facts ;) Sam [Spade] 20:07, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

But they're scary horrifically scary. :( Jonathan Grynspan

hehehe... my favorite kind! The scarier they are (or more suprising, shocking, unexpected, etc...), the more important to cite and verify tho, of course :) Sam [Spade] 23:53, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Jack Chick is spreading seeds of prejudice and hatred rather than soul winnng.He si really good at promoting traditional anti-catholicism in the form of tracts,comics and books.During the 19th Century and even up to the 1960s,anti-catholicism was part of American Protestant lifestyle.The King James Version is hard for someone who doesn't understand the English it uses and it is not the only PERFECT version. I like every Bible version because they all are God's Word. That is why we have the New International Version,New King James Version,The Living Bible,The Good News bible,The New Jerusalem Bible and etc. Jack Chick is a fool to believe such nonsense !Then there is that infamous and hated Alberto Rivera whose's views contradict history including Church History.Whoever or whatever Alberto was,he is a deceiver and false prophet.Then,there is the 'claim' that Islam was created by the Catholic Church.How can this be when they fought and killed each other during the Crusades and still oppose each other till today.Hitler was never a Catholic though his parents were and he hated both Catholics and Protestants and tried to replaced them with his Nazi Religion.No one is perfect including Protestants,for example Martin Luther the founder of the Reformation preached antisemitism and told his followers to persecute Jews. I might agree with him concerning Evolution and abortion but not with cATHOLICISM

Thanks for your comments! They are not entirely NPOV, so please try to be careful of neutrality. Would you like to form a user account? Sam [Spade] 23:26, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If you'd like to express a POV I'd suggest adding to the Uncyclopedia article on Jack Chick:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Jack_Chick. Frankly, this parody is far too nice for the vile piece of garbage that is its subject matter.Get in there and tear him a new a--hole! --Naughtyned 15:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I have taken my own advice: [1]. This article was helpful as a reference for editing the Uncyclopedia article, especially the revelation that his work was partly inspired by Chinese Communist propoganda tracts (I hope my reference to that won't be considered too much of a "true fact" for Uncyclopedia!) It figures that a hate-filled "Christian" cult leader would find Communist techniques of indoctrinating and manipulating uneducated, vulnerable people worthy of emulation.--Naughtyned 15:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm very surprised that there isn't more incisive information on this page about the characteristics of the strange, insane nightmare world Jack Chick lives in. I think more people, Christians and non-Christians alike, deserve to have identified to them specific examples of his incredibly warped perspective on the world. I'm a Christian myself, and honestly, Mr Chick is an incredible aggravator of anti-Christian sentiment. Adrianke77 05:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

various quibbles

In 1996, Jack Chick's website was elected the best Christian website

Elected by who?

It was Lola's mother who converted Chick to Christianity.

What was his religion before this?

I'd be fine w you removing these, unless someone wants to verify them. Sam [Spade] 00:36, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'll trim the "best Christian website," since there's no source.

Probably talking orthogonally with the comment about his conversion versus his prior "religion." Fundamentalist-Christians see conversion ("born again") as an adult event. Before that, even if you are "raised Christian," you are in general considered to be "unsaved." Jdavidb 21:32, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I never understood that belief. I'm pretty sure the Christian bible says that you only need to accept Jesus to be saved. (But then, who am I to tell fundamentals how to bible-bash?) Jonathan Grynspan 06:14, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As a "fundygelical" who "converted" or was "born again" about 22 years ago, I'll explain that yes, we believe that "you only need to accept Jesus to be saved." And when you make that conscious volitional choice to accept Jesus, you are "born again."

Jack Chick claims somewhere on his website (I'll find a link if anyone really wants to see it) that he was incredibly anti-Christian before his being "born again", and was antagonistic towards Christians. This may just be him painting himself that way to encourage people who are like that to become like him, though. So, it's probably fair to say that he converted to Christianity, even if he didn't actually espouse atheism at any time.---SpaceMoose 06:14, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is it worth adding in a note that at least a few people seem to think that he's a Catholic mocking the fundamentalists? --Kadett 01:01, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't think so. Anyone as over-the-top as Chick is bound to have a few people who come along and say "this can't be real" if they don't know the background. The same could be said of Fred Phelps. NTK 16:05, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Isn't the wording of the opening paragraph just a bit lacking in the NPOV department? "Anti-Roman Catholic" implies some agenda against RC *people*; might it not be better to say "Anti-Roman Catholicism," showing his argument is with the belief system? Also, isn't "homophobic" a "loaded" term?

No, none of these are lacking in the NPOV department anymore than saying Hitler's Mein Kampf was anti-semetic. Chick has demonstrated through tracks like "Are Roman Catholics Christians?", "Death Cookie", "Holocaust", and "Last Rites" that he is rabid Anti-Roman Catholic. As for homophobic one need to look at "Doom Town" and "Birds and the Bees" to see that.--BruceGrubb (talk) 07:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

When?

When did he start to publish his tracts? AxelBoldt 20:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

1964, according to http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1346/is_5_48/ai_101173128/pg_2 --Po8crg 20:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Is Chick a dispensationalist?

Most of the wikipedia article relating to dispensationalism rang true for Chick, however, the quote on the antichrist did not: "By consistently teaching that the Beast of Revelation, or the Antichrist, is a political leader, dispensationalism has weakened the traditional Reformation-era identification of that figure with the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon. Dispensationalism has led many evangelical Christians of the USA to temper their traditional anti-Catholicism, at least a little."

Chick has repeatedly made claims that the Catholic church is the whore of babylon, and that at the end of times, the Pope will be the anti-christ. --Havermayer 01:20, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It might be appropriate to inlude mention of similarities between Jack Chick's views and the Book THE TWO BABYLONS by Alexander Hislop. Most 20th Century Anti-Catholicism movements revere that book. Chick's tracts repeat many of Hislops accusations almost word for word. (LisaPollison 1/17/06)

Confusing wording

I was confused for a moment when I read this article and it said "After his marriage, he began working at the AstroScience Corporation etc." Shouldn't it say "After his wedding" or something? Because to me marriage is the entire period that you are married to someone, but if he did all this AFTER his marriage this would imply he split from his wife Lola somewhere in the 60s or so, doesn't it? Yet the article later indicates that he stayed with his wife until his death in 1998. Or am I misinterpreting this word? At any rate, it's rather confusing and maybe "wedding" would be a better choice of word. --Little-quiqueg 18:17, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Changed to "after marrying." Samaritan 06:56, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem

The image of Jack Chick was drawn by Jimmy Akin, who never gave permission for its use and who retains the rights to the drawing. Proof: http://www.jimmyakin.org/2005/04/happy_birthday_.html

I emailed Jimmy Akin, and he answered me this :

It's okay with me if Wikipedia uses it, though it is not a public domain image, and I want to retain the right to insist that it be pulled at some future point if I deem it necessary.

hence, wikipedia has his permission to use it. Wedineinheck 07:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Jack Chick Museum of Fine Art: Pro-Chick?

I think placing the Jack Chick Museum of Fine Art in a Pro-Chick category is a huge stretch. It's hard to say it's anti-Chick, since it also supports his right to free speech, but the site contains a gigantic repository of tract reviews that pick apart almost every tract ever published. The "fan club" is an obvious spoof club, what with the "Get Out of Hell Free" card you get.

I would put this in the "Relatively Neutral" category myself.Rebochan 17:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

JohanL's changes

I have reverted most of JohanL's changes. First, the spelling of "theater" was changed to the British "theatre" in two places. First, I believe it against policy to make these changes except for the sake of consistency, but moreover this article is about an American so it makes sense to use the American spelling, especially for "Pasadena Playhouse School of Theater" where "Theatre" is actually wrong. Secondly, a profusion of superfluous links was added, most of which were not really related to this article and which hurt the flow and readibility of the article, detracting from the relevant links. In fact, looking at the current state of the article there are already far too many useless links. NTK 20:01, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Big Daddy refutation?

Some time back, I came across a page that had a point-by-point refutation of Jack Chick's (in)famous Big Daddy comic - the anti-evolution one. I was trying to find the page again, but wasn't able to - does anyone know the page I'm talking about? If so, do you have a link? It would be much appreciated.

Is this it? Anville 13:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

There is also Who's Your Daddy that tears the Big Daddy strip to shreds.--BruceGrubb (talk) 10:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Dropping 'infamous' and 'extremist'

I don't think that these words conform to a NPOV. What do y'all think? On the other hand, I think that a summary of some of his tracts might help give a stronger impression of how wacked out this fellow is. Chip Unicorn 16:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Non-believer ironic "appreciation"

There really should be some mention of how a fair number of people enjoy Jack Chick's works solely for their preposterousness (the "Death Cookie", etc. etc.). AnonMoos 10:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

It's true that at least within Comic fandom, there is a subgenre of Chick fans who adore his tracts not for their Christian message but for their inadvertant comic content. Sadly, many of those same fans poo-poo the Anti-Catholic and Anti-semtic messages in those comics. It's a bit like telling a survivor of the Holocaust that they should read Mein Kampf because it's a "laugh riot!"

I've yet to meet an observant Jew or devout Catholic Comic fan who finds Chick's tracts very amusing. They may be out there, but I haven't come across them. I believe this speaks more to the continuing undercurrent of Anti-Catholicism and Anti-Semetism in American culture. People I know who would never use the 'N' word, think nothing of using the 'K' word or repeating some of Chick's assertions that Catholics and Masons are in it with "the Jews" to pave the way for a 'new World order.'

Like it or not, Jack Chick's tracts reveal a great deal about what is quietly held to be true by mainy 'mainstream' Christians.

(lisapollison 1/17/06)

Well, I'm (At least technically) Catholic, and I think that these things are a laugh riot, I mean, the pope=the antichrist? That's like saying Tab cola tastes better than fresca, it may be true, but nobody cares 67.160.39.151 06:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bisexual, and I find Birds and the Bees a laugh riot! Chip Unicorn 21:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

My roommate and good friend, who is a lesbian, works as a cook and waitress. There are these two women that frequented the restaurant and had the habit of leaving Chick tracts in place of tips. A few weeks ago they left her a "tip" consisting of that tract, because apparently they overheard my roommate mention herself as being gay in conversation with someone else. My roommate didn't find "Birds and the Bees" a laugh riot. It reduced her nearly to tears of rage; I've never seen her so angry. She wasn't mad because the pamphlet disses gays; she can handle that sort of thing. She was furious because the tract puts words of hatred and bigotry in the mouth of a child. Her manager at the restaurant was also outraged. The women came back several nights later and were escorted out and informed that they were no longer welcome at the restaurant, which they had frequented for some years. Looking back on my life, I think their "tip" is about the most shockingly rude thing I've ever seen one human being do to another. Kasreyn 10:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Ouch. You have my sympathy. If someone gave me that tract as a statement against me, I would be equally outraged. I found that tract funny for its poor writing, and its over-the-top rudeness. Chip Unicorn 23:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Obviously these things can be seriously offensive and hurtful if directed at someone personally but I've also seen their target audience thoughly enjoying laughing at them. I was first introduced to them on a pagan forum and I've actually gone on and read many of them myself, purely for humor value. As a biologist (well ok, final year biology student) I think my favourites are the ones on evolution, with Dungeons & Dragons a close second. I may be confusing Chicks site with another website but I seem to remember something about a zoo hidden in the Amazon rain forest where dinosaurs were collected so scientists could keep up the "myth" of evolution. Prehaps a section on the full range of possible reactions? Discuss the fact that many people are seriously offended and hurt by having these statements made about (and to) them, but also that many people including those the cartoons are directed at find them amusing. It would also answer one question thats bothered me since I first learned of Chicks work: Have these things ever, ever worked on anyone? Is there even a sigle case of someone falling to their knees and begging forgivness from Jesus after reading one of his cartoons? Danikat 20:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

In defense of Jack Chick

• I think his tracts provide an interesting historical perspective on religion. To be honest, I think his comics are well done. I just needed to get that out. Danny Lilithborne 04:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

  I suppose the perspective is interesting in that it shows exactly how far wrong it is possible to be... Chick is batting about .001 on comprehension of any religion except his own. Kasreyn 10:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

  Historical perspective is not interesting if it's false. And I'm not talking about religion. Mdoc7 04:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

  Mister Lilithborne, it says you like the band "Rush" on your userpage. Are you aware that rock music was invented by the devil to promote witchcraft and spread homosexuality? You ought to read the chick tract "Angels". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.53.233 (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2006

If anyone agrees with Chick, they should A. talk with a psychiatrist, B. talk with a member of the clergy (Protestant or Catholic) to get the actual history of the Church, C. if these dont work, bash yourself on the head with a blunt object to save yourself from a lifetime of your own extreme idiocy. Therequiembellishere 07:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC) BTW My Chem Rocks, so I guess that means I'm gay. Wow, my g/f will have a problem with that . . .

I like Chick. RichardT

Then you need to be put on much medication.Centurion Ry 20:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

nt RichardT

Sheish... I don't like that idiot either, and it's disgraceful that this page is written "almost" neutrally when so many other pages of "better" people have obvious anti-bias... but all that bashing wasn't really needed.

Yoda921 12:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Yoda

Anti-canadian hate vandalism removed

• I have removed the "canada" section of this article because it contained non-NPOV content claiming that canada has massed a "hate crime" law nick-name the 'fred phelps law" or "jack chick law". Living in canada myself i would know about this if it were true.

""Canada

Canada has passed hate crime legislation, alternatingly referred to by the informal names "Fred Phelps Law" and "Jack Chick Law". Pure inuyasha 00:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"Relatively neutral"

While I'm no fan of Jack Chick, I wouldn't say that [2] is taking a "relatively neutral" stance on his work. An excerpt from the page: "Who does Chick like? Well, apart form the gullible turkeys who shell out their hard-earned dolleros for this tripe, that’s a good question!". 80.202.102.215 21:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

"Chick's cartoons depict delusional conspiracy theories featuring Satan, the Catholic Church, Communists, Muslims, rock musicians, scientists, and politicians, as well as other groups and subjects behind popular entertainment, (role playing) gaming, and other perceived ills of modern culture..." The word delusional, is POV, so I am removing it. Also there is a sentance that says, "chick has been considered anti-semitic," that's weasel-wording. It needs a source 88.154.158.42 15:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Some of Jack chicks claims are so out there that delusional is the only word that can politely describe them. His dark dungeons track claims that the D&D game teach REAL spells that can be cast in the REAL world; that is on par with telling people your hiding from the little grey aliens led by Elvis who are coming after you in their black helicopters. At best his choice of supporting material is really bad as demonstrated by the trashing I gave to one of his form letter responses regarding Dark Dungeons.

Another example of Chick's delusions are in tracks like Holocaust where the Nazis are revealed to be a master plan of the Roman Catholic Church to wipe out the Jewish people. Then there is the Story Teller which has the Roman Catholic Church creating Islam and claims that the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II was planned by the Jesuits as a well to make Muslim people feel guilty. Even if Chick himself is not delusional his choice of source material is horrid and his verification of said material is non-existent.--BruceGrubb (talk) 03:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

His wife

"His new wife is considerably younger than he is, and Asian." Come on. Is that NPOV? Is it important? When I was at journalism school, I was taught that pointing out somebody's race was not required unless it was vital to the context of the story. Seems like just a disparaging attmept to call Jack Chick a dirty old man with a mail order bride. (I'm definitely not a Chick fan, but let's try and be professional!) --Affentitten 23:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree - "considerably younger" is imprecise and therefore meaningless. 211.30.237.66 14:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

His Paranoid Message and world

The World Chick believes is out there is a place filled with godless scientists, demon possessed games, and vast conspiracies. Any amount of anything resembling research will show much of his claims to be out and out drivel if not outright fraud. As with many fundamentalists he takes quotes from the bible out of context and ignores any contradictions. For example Micah 6:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matt 24:45-51, Luke 19:8-9 all have good works as a path to salvation with NO mention given to faith.

Cleanup needed

I pruned a couple of large chunks of text (see below) from the 'Comics' section, now 'Publications'. There are already pages for Chick Publications, Claims by Chick Publications, and Alberto Rivera - let's use them, rather than duplicating and triplicating material here that should be on those pages. A lot of what remains should also be moved to those pages, but needs cleanup. In particular:

• I'm pretty sure Chick's first publications were not the Crusader Comics but tracts such as 'This Was Your Life' and 'A Demon's Nightmare' (see Chick website here), so the chronology in this section is out.

• The article claims Chick wrote 24 comics in the 1970s-1980s (didn't he do way more tracts than that in that period?) and says that the first 17 of these are known as the Crusader Comics, but then calls the last 6 'Crusader Comics' as well. (Perhaps it could also say what the other one was about?)

• NPOV. Lines like 'this is one of the more rational claims Chick makes' are not encyclopaedic. Yes, I know he offends a lot of us, but there are more appropriate, encyclopaedic ways to indicate that his claims are widely disputed. And the less we duplicate discussion, the less we *have* to deal with this problem.

• General structuring. This section is all over the place. --Calair 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Pruned text

In each of the six comics, Dr. Alberto Rivera's character claims that the Vatican is behind many evil acts throughout history such as World War I and World War II. In the first comic Rivera claims that he was a Catholic priest and he tells how he left the Catholic Church. In the second comic "Double Cross," Rivera tells how he went to London and rescued his sister from a nunnery. In that comic, he also claims that the Vatican is trying to kill him. In "The Godfathers," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church founded Communism and Nazism and tried to destroy the Jews. In "The Force," Rivera's character claims that the Catholic Church is using Occult power to destroy the souls of Her followers. In "The Four Horsemen", Rivera claims that the Vatican persecuted Christians and is using organisations to do its work. In "The Prophet," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church helped start Islam to destroy the Jews so that the Vatican could move its headquarters to Jerusalem. (It should be noted that research by Christianity Today and other evangelical publications has revealed that Rivera was never ordained as a Catholic priest.) It should also be noted that the majority of evangelical Christians are either uncomfortable with, or adamently opposed to, both Chick's allegedly hate-filled message and his methods...

At least one tract has been changed after correspondence revealed Jack Chick had no evidence for the statement it contained. In 'The Death Cookie', Jack Chick describes the consecration of wafers in ancient Egypt. It contained the line 'They called this process transubstantiation'. After being pressed on the issue, the publishers contacted Jack and found that it had indeed been based on no verifiable evidence. The new tract now reads 'This is called transubstantiation'. --Calair 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

No photograph?

There's never been a photograph of him? THat's a huge claim to make, five seconds on google gives me http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Chick,%20Jack%20T..jpg at the very least ((c. 1920s, California-Alive). Christian Cartoonist. Had a conversion experience on his honeymoon, 1948.) Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 16:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

That site looks like it could as easily be a "own a piece of history!" scam site as reputable. Either way, the picture is terrible and unverifiable. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

There used to be a site that archived all of his strips, and it had a photo of him before they took it down. He looked sort of like a live-action Ned Flanders. Felicity4711 22:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

lol, happen to remember the url at all - archive.org likely has a cached version of the site stored :) Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 19:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I have a photograph of Chick taken at the Victory Baptist Church, it has now been removed from the website but I obtained a copy of it here http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=146273 If that copy is also removed, I have a copy on my hard-drive. Simon Rafe (Webmaster, Saint Michael's Media)

External links

I've removed a number of external links, as they were becoming excessive. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a repository of links; the guidelines at WP:EL and the previous link point out that they should be kept at a representative minimum. Tijuana Brass 03:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC) The matter of what can be considered "excessive" comes into question. Taking into account the size of this article and the amount of controversy, a dozen or so anti-Chick links doesn't seem excessive, while a single link can hardly be "representative". I also fail to see how zero pro-Chick links could fit the definition of "representative". That collection of external links certainly doesn't "dwarf" the article, and each one contributes its own unique perspective, distinct from what is already covered in the article. --Eldritch 06:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

While I agree the link situation was getting out of hand it does NOT excuse the removal of REVIEW sites like Enter the Jabberwock Trick Tracts: The Truth Behind Those Little Comics and especially the Los Angeles Magazine article by Robert Ito. Reviews links are perfectly valid under WP:EL even if the reviewers allow blogs to their reviews. There is NO REASON to delete the Robert Ito's article link, except to hide reviews of Jack Chick's positions. NONE.--BruceGrubb (talk) 12:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)