Talk:Jack Dempsey
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[edit] Boxrec
Wanted to add a comment on the Jimmy Darcy fight paragraph I added. This was long thought to be an exhibition bout, but recent research has discovered it was an official fight, upping Dempsey's win total to 62 for his career.
From Boxrec.com's log of Dempsey's fights:
"Jack Dempsey successfully defended his heavy weight championship last night for the first time since he won from Georges Carpentier at Jersey City, more than a year ago. Jimmy Darcy, a 'stable mate' of Dempsey’s was the opponent, and the champion received the decision after four rounds of boxing. Such is the information that reached here today from Buffalo, to find confirmation at the office of the New York Boxing Commission. Dempsey, originally carded to box an exhibition with three opponents at Buffalo last night, was confronted, just before entering the ring, with a telegram from the local office of the New York Boxing Commission, advising that he would be permitted to meet only one opponent, and that the bout must go to a decision. Jimmy Darcy, light heavy weight, who has been on tour with Dempsey for the last several days, was selected as the opponent. The champion took no chances on any adverse decision being given, the advices from Buffalo state, and boxed in a masterly fashion for the four rounds. At the conclusion the decision was his by a wide margin. At the office of the New York commission today, Secretary Harry Burchell said: 'Of course the bout had to be a decision. We had to see that the law was upheld. We make no distinction between exhibitions and regulation contests, according to law.' So Darcy has the distinction of having lasted longer with the champion than Georges Carpentier, Jess Willard, Gunboat Smith or Carl Morris. Had Darcy landed a 'lucky' punch he would be the world’s heavy weight champion today." San Francisco Chronicle John
[edit] Size
Someone add info on the size of Dempsey and other fighters.
I met Dempsey once in NYC at a party about 1973 when he was about 78.
I was 6 feet, but he appeared couple inches taller than me and while i was then 215 lbs he also appeared considerably larger like ? 240 etc
He appeared in shape. And had a fist / hand the size of a ham (huge) when I shook his hand.
[edit] Dempsey's birth place
Dempsey was not born in Relic, Hawaii, so I changed it back to Manassa, Colorado, where he was born in 1895. -Unknown
[edit] Cleanup
The article has an overly chatty tone, especially the opening para. I have no expertise on this subject, can anyone help improve? Hardwick 00:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Jack Dempsey is listed on the page of "notable Jewish sports figures" -- this is news to me. Jack was born in a Mormon village in the San Luis Valley of South Central Colorado: Manassa. I know of no evidence that would suggest that he was Jewish.
In his autobiography, Dempsey states, "I am basically Irish, with Cherokee blood from both parents, plus a Jewish strain from my father's great-grandmother, Rachel Solomon" (11). I assume he's in the "notable Jewish sports figures" category because of Jewish heritage. He was Mormon in religion, not Jewish, but had Jewish blood in him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.139.163 (talk) 23:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
- The material below is from the Jack Mormon article - pointing out that Dempsey attributed the term to himself in public interviews. WBardwin (talk) 09:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- The term was made popular to the public by Heavy Weight Champion William Harrison "Jack" Dempsey (named after the president), was born in Manassa, Colorado, on June 24, 1895. During the 1920s Americans celebrated their material prosperity and made national heroes out of sports figures. The greatest American sports hero was undoubtedly Babe Ruth; his closest rival was Dempsey, a tough heavyweight boxer from the mining West. An LDS missionary converted his parents, Hyrum and Celia Smoot Dempsey, and they moved West, from West Virginia, arriving in the Mormon village of Manassa, Colorado, around 1880. While Hyrum fell away from the church, Celia remained faithful. (Jack would later write, "I'm proud to be a Mormon. And ashamed to be the Jack Mormon that I am.") In 1914 Harry (William Harrison Dempsey) substituted for the ill Bernie Dempsy (Jack's older brother) in a match and for the first time became Jack Dempsey himself, the heavyweight great is known today only as "Jack Dempsey."
Why is there a Jack Dempsey category? Isn't this what the article itself is for? If there is something covered in the category that isn't covered well enough within the article (with appropriate links) then what is the article for, anyway? Kthejoker 17:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
According to Dempsey his family was "pretty strong Irish, with Cherokee Indian blood on both sides and a Jewish stain from my father's grandmother, Rachel Soloman".Dschwa77 03:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Jewish *strain*, i think. Also, the idea that he would go into bars using that line about being unable to dance etc. is pretty unlikely -- where is this cited? In bio, A Flame of Pure Fire, something like this is mentioned in a different context.Jrm2007 07:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dempsey vs Firpo
Really funny the partiality of this article when it tooks the Dempsey-Firpo fight. Dempsey stood up at the count of nine, a very special count. Dempsey were out of the ring fourteen seconds for some people, seventeen (17) for others. Dempsey losted that fight but he was the home boxer. Also he was helped by ringside reporters to stood up. Anything else? Easy like that..
on the subject of dempsey firpo..if a fighter is knocked out of the ring..he is given 20 seconds to return to the ring in boxing today, but not sure what the rules where during the fight in question.
Yes, technically speaking, he should have lost that fight. However, the fact remains that you shouldn't hold it up to the same standards. He was knocked outside of the ring, you try getting up in ten seconds like that. 68.35.101.113 (talk) 07:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Also - question that this is the second largest sporting crowd ever. 121,696 people attended the 1970 Australian football grand final, over 123,000 have attended the melbourne cup and other racing events in melbourne.
Additional to above - Hampden park in Glasgow has a record attendance of 149,415 for a Scotland v. England game in 1937, and 146,433 for the Cup final between Celtic and Aberdeen the same year.
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BetacommandBot 04:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Another Jack Dempsey boxer
This web page suggests there was another great boxer named Jack Dempsey, who died before his time of tuberculosis in 1895. Without more sources I can't start an article, but I'll be looking. (Anyone have access to the Ring Sports article cited?) -Pete (talk) 01:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Dempsy Roll
Is this the boxer with the move 'Dempsey roll' referenced in the boxing anime Hajime no Ippo? This signature move is not mentioned in the article so I'm wondering if it is the other boxer mentioned above being referenced. Tyciol (talk) 12:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
