Talk:Iwane Matsui

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After reading countless articles by history professors, newspapers and eye witnesses I understand to a great extent what occurred during the invasion of Nanjing, the atrocities that were committed and a shallow understanding of who was involved. However i seem to have run into a problem; the International Military Tribunal for the Far East sentenced General Mastui Iwane to death for war crimes on the basis that he deliberately and recklessly disregarded his duty to take adequate steps to prevent atrocities, this is clear but there is no evidence that anyone has clearly stated except for the fact that he was the commanding officer therefore he is responsible. There seems to be very few statements that he made regarding his orders given to the troops. How was he sentenced without any hard evidence such as letters, eye witness accounts or written orders to troops, commanders, etc. It's understood that the troops committed a very large number of atrocities however Matsui himself only committed that of not doing anything. For me this doesn't seem to account for a death sentence. Can anyone please give me references regarding any specific accounts, orders or evidence relating to General Matsui's involvement and any material regarding the War Crimes trial he underwent it would be greatly appreciated. thankyou—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.38.95 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 3 April 2005.

[edit] this entry should be moved

The Wikipedia convention is to list modern Japanese people with Western name order (personal name then family name), unless they are on record as preferring the other order. Matsui is a family name. I will move the page later if no one objects. --Carl 10:09, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Flipped it. --Carl 15:07, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chang

The first edition of The Rape of Nanking, by Iris Chang, followed the IMTFE's lead in blaming Matsui for the massacre, as Matsui planned the invasion of Nanking and was Asaka's commanding officer during the Rape. James Yin and Shi Young's book of the same title, however, blames Asaka for the massacre, and portrays Matsui as a helpless figurehead stuck between a prince and an emperor. The truth is a matter of continued debate.

the article needs info on later editions. i read a non-first edition of the rape of nanking and chang's argument seemed to me to be that Matsui took the fall for Asaka because Matsui was loyal-unto-death to the royal family. she says the worst of the violence and atrocities ceased once matsui arrived on the scene; she seemed to stop short of suggesting that if Matsui hadn't been holed up with tuberculosis miles away when the city fell, that there might not have been a massacre,but IMO only just short. Nateji77 08:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] guilty of the crimes

For Blueshirts, Did you know it that the crime of the Class C is most serious, and the Class B is next, the crime of the Class A is lightest? --Hare-Yukai 02:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)