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[edit] Character List

A list of characters with brief discriptions would be a nice addition to this article. Does anyone have any objections? -- Skaijo 00:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Not me, I was thinking the same thing. --TM 00:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Vanessa... the waitresses name is Vanessa.

I don't watch the show, but if you check out: http://www.discountcruisetohell.com/Cast.htm#mary it lists the characters name as being Vanessa when saying she's a part of the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.100.121 (talk) 06:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] umm

Um...I screwed up the page on accident (somehow when editing it a bunch of the episodes summaries went away), is there anyway to undo this?

Yep. Click on the history, which will show a list of the most recent revisions. Click on the revision immediately prior to yours. Click on "edit this page", then save. That will revert the article to the version prior to yours. (By the way, I already did so for you.) Happy editing! -- SwissCelt 00:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] $200? Hard to believe

I find it hard to believe the budget for two episodes was $200. Other than FX advertising, where is the source for this?

I've put a citation needed tag at the end of the claim. If a source isn't provided within a week or two it'll be removed. --TM 18:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's an article that states it, I dont know if tahts enough citation though. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/28/DDGE9JKNGD13.DTL

Thanks a lot for finding that. The article states that, "First it was an idea shot for $200 by creators... " which makes it sound as if $200 was actually the budget of a pilot episode, and not the first two FX episodes; other articles support this, and further say that the creators received $400,000 from FX for the first season after they saw the pilot, there's a New York Post article but it's somewhat difficult to access (requires searching archives, registration, etc), so here's a cached version with the related terms highlighted: [1]. I'll change the article to reflect this. --TM 05:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I heard that it was made for less, all the costs were the tapes. Said in the itunes interview, by director/creator Rob Mchelaney.


It was confirmed by Danny Devito during his interview on the Daily Show (8/03/06) that they filmed it for $85 dollars and then sold the show to FX. --Heller Thur 17:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split off episode list

Since the episode descriptions are pretty long and there are more coming I was thinking it would be good to start a List of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episodes article soon. Thoughts? --TM 16:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea.--67.168.0.155 05:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I would personally wait until the end of the second season. This show has very few episodes per season and it just seems like a separate article isn't required while there is still only as many episodes as a normal show would have in one season. I also wish that there were screenshots or something to build a more comprehensive table to begin the sections. --Torourkeus 22:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, edits of the article do suggest that it is a bit too long. --Torourkeus 09:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
End of second season was what I was thinking too, but if someone splits it off before that since it's getting pretty long I wouldn't have any objections. --TM 12:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I just went ahead and made the switch. --Torourkeus 07:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Since there is a page for the episodes, do we still need the episodes listed on the main ASP page? Trcunning 14:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More of a connection to Arrested Development

I guess I'm not seeing the Seinfeld connection that these critics are talking about. I am however seeing more of a connection to Arrested Development in regard to the tongue-in-cheek humor and issues. Also somewhat of a connection to Curb Your Enthusiasm but then again that is also very close to Seinfeld.

Seinfeld connections I've noticed

  • 4 friends, 3 guys and one girl
  • They are just generally bad or insensitive people
  • Best friend pair (Charlie and Mac/Seinfeld and George), although Dennis is also kind of close to Mac
  • Eccentric (Kramer and/or Charlie), although this isn't strong
  • Fairly successful male (Seinfeld/Dennis)
  • The biggest connection is that the four friends get into their misadventures out of their own goals and without concern for other people.

I know there are some similar elements. Though I noticed that the issues addressed are much more extreme. Seinfeld always seemed to dance around the issues and used dumbed-down language to get their point across. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Seinfeld fan but I still don't see what critics see in their connection as far as the content. I see it as a completely different show.

I also notice that the sense of humor and directing style is a lot like Arrested Development. The main reason it is connected more to Seinfeld is that that's how it is promoted. Most likely because Arrested Development was not as big of a marketing success. --Torourkeus 09:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top Image

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I'd hate to do this because I really like it, but I think the image being used at the top is actually an image with copyright that would not allow it to be on Wikipedia. The copyright description claims it's of a DVD cover, but that's not the case because there is no DVD (nor has material been published for an upcoming DVD) for the show. I think the copyright given to the image is wrong. Even if it was a low res DVD cover, it's clearly a derivative of it and still wouldn't be acceptable. I suggest we look for promotional images from the show with copyright that allows us to use it here. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Thoughts? Roguegeek 19:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I've never been too good at dealing with images and their copyright status but I think you're right about the image's status (given that there is no dvd cover yet as you said). Getting other images is a good idea. --TM 20:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political views

Should the political ideologies of key characters be added into their profiles? The abortion episode made it fairly clear that Dee held a liberal standpoint where Mac held a concervative one. Further, if one were to observe the show carefully, it seems that one would be able to determine the other character's ideologies, in which case these could be listed as well. Secondly, although this is speculation on my part, from the most recent episode (8/9/06) it seemed that Frank, Danny DeVito's character, held a libertarian standpoint, as he wanted as much freedom in the bar as possible, similar to how libertarians typically want limited government interference in buisness (I do not wish to sound biased against libertarianism, I am just making a comparitive obsevation).66.24.224.205 05:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it's difficult to categorize them since their actions/opnions change in lots of episodes. Like with Mac, although he initially displays a bit a of religious conservativism in regard to abortion (but even there he ends up telling the girl to get one), he's fine with premarital sex and did start dating a pre-op transsexual, something most religious conservatives would frown on. And I'm not sure being pro-choice is enough to brand someone a liberal, or that being pro-choice is particularly necessary to mention in a character summary, but I guess it wouldn't hurt it either. And as you said, although Frank wanted limited government interference when he was profiting, it's not really enough to claim he's a libertarian, doing so would be pretty specualtive. I think most of the characters have so much self-interest they'd change their views depending on what benefits them, so pegging them with political ideologies seems problematic. --TM 05:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I think if you guys want you should try to make new articles for all of the main characters. In the meantime I don't think it would hurt to give them some details. I would avoid classifying them as liberal or conservative... but you could easily say that mac is conservative and dee is liberal. Frank is the only exception, just because I think that a lot of his views seem extremely libertarian. Again this is no insult to libertarianism, except to say maybe Frank is the worst example. It is fairly obvious, however, that he is against government intervention in almost all forms. --Torourkeus 06:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I do remember Frank stating he believes Hillary Clinton "hates freedom", in the episode when the gang runs for an election. Also, in the internet episode, "Mac is a serial killer", he wishes to torture Mac with a chainsaw. When he is challenged on this, he calls his challengers something along the lines of "whiny liberals". This is all from memory, so I could be dead-wrong... but it's worth mentioning.

-matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.121.91.224 (talk) 18:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

It's problematic to assign political ideologies to characters who are essentially amoral and anti-intellectual. It's not clear that any character on the show has strong convictions about anything. A motif of the show is that the main characters dispense with any stated belief as soon as it becomes personally inconvenient. --D. Monack | talk 02:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Annoying Links

Please people, link things properly. In one of the episode descriptions "sleeping" was linked to death. The word dead is on the next line, just link that. Someone also linked a spoof of million dollar baby to that movie, when it probably would have been more proper to just say "the scene was spoofed from the movie Million Dollar Baby. Here's an example...

  • "The guys start escalating their plans. with Mac and Dennis dressing up like Middle Eastern terrorists to make incoherent threats on [Videos of Osama bin Laden|videotape]."

Simply put, "... videotape, similar to [Videos of Osama bin Laden].--Torourkeus 06:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Avatar images in profiles

I don't know what the policy is on these kinds of cycling pictures, but to me they appear just as advertisements. I would be in favour of removing them. --Lakeshark 09:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I was led to the talk page concerning them, too. I figured that they might've been placed by the show's creators or producers, an act which should be recorded in the article itself as an historic first, if true!
Sorry to burst your bubble but they weren't posted by anyone affiliated with the show, just another Wikipedia editor. If I recall correctly, the contributor also voiced their apprehension towards their suitability in the edit summary, so feel free to remove them. --TM 03:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I feel the same way about the pics so I'm taking them out. —dm (talk) 03:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Should we add some sort of pictures though? I feel that it would really spice it up a bit. Emptyskypetition 08:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airing time

I'm not sure which is worse--this article or the show's official web site. But I could not find the air time for this show on either. When does it air? There's all this extraneous, useless information on both sites. But if you wanted to watch the show, you'd never know when to see it (presuming you even have this network)? PAWiki 21:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You do realize this isn't TV Guide, right? --TM 01:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added Stuff

I added a bunch of stuff, I hope no one minds. My goal is to have IASP to be as comprehensive as the Lostwiki's and the Heroeswiki's. Emptyskypetition 04:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Third Season

According to IMDB(http://imdb.com/title/tt0792192/), episode one of season three has already aired and has been rated by fourteen people. Are these retards full of shit, or did the episode actually air?

I thought it was part of that publicity thing with myspace [2] although the myspace page says it's a "Pre-Season Episode" Vdub49 03:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] show also aires in germany

the show is now running on the German "Comedy Central" (www.comedy-central.de) please add—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.154.16.200 (talk) 09:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC).


[edit] the pilot

i have read somewhere that the pilot floated around the internet and thats how it got started? how come i have never been able to find the pilot anywhere? 22:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Themes

This section has some good information, but it needed some cleanup. I agree with the tag that says that it contains "unverified or original research." It just sounds like a one-sided fanboy rant and is written in an overly verbose way that contains much irrelevant information and unneeded examples. I condensed it. Second, the bullet form seems overly doctrinal for the section, and serves no real purpose. I made it more into a series of paragraphs. This was just a cursory cleanup and what the section really needs is the addition of sourced information from a variety of sources to balance it, rather than just one person's account of the show. Jcrav2k6 03:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

What it really, really needs is to be completely deleted as it is totally original research in its current form, and if enough can be found, rewritten using only sourced material. Sheep81 08:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4? The guy from The Cosby Show?

Is there any word on a fourth season yet? Also, "Donovan Mcnabb" from "The gang gets invincible" was actually someone from The Cosby Show; his name is Geoffrey Owens. Someone should make note in the guest stars section. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0654369/

Diddydoobop 08:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Theme" section no good.

The "Themes" section is vague and trite. It includes no references, makes no conclusive assessments, and infers opinion as fact. Nothing is more of an oxymoron than over-analyzing a funny show; doesn't taking comedy seriously defeat the point? Cut that shit out, son. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmoss (talk • contribs) 21:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Penn"

I think that, when the characters say "Penn" in the show, they mean Penn State. However, the link for "Penn" in this article leads to the University of Pennsylvania. The University of Pennsylvania is an Ivy League school, and I find it very difficult to believe that either Dee or Dennis would've gone to an Ivy League school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admiraltfear (talk • contribs) 22:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

They have a snobby, rich-kid background, which is supposed to comedically contrast with their low-rent lifestyle, so it's possible. Unless there are any episodes featuring them wearing old Penn State sweaters, I'd say we should leave it as it is. -Captain Crawdad (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

^ Agreed. If they meant Penn State, I'm sure they'd specify, there's quite a difference. 67.162.87.124 (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

In Philadelphia there is very little debate over penn and penn state. Penn is the way Upenn students and alumni refer to the University of Penn. and Penn state is never referred to as Penn. People that refer to Penn as Upenn do not know the semantics of Philadelphia. They are referring to the University of Penn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.143.12 (talk) 05:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deandra vs. Diandra

BuddyTV lists "Diandra" and IMDb lists "Deandra" as the spelling of Dee's first name. Does anyone have any authoritative data as to which is correct? Alan smithee (talk) 07:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)