Talk:Islamic Society of North America

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[edit] Accusations

These are unfounded allegations. This article by Umbreen Shah is created with bad intentions and full of distortions if not falsehood. --JuanMuslim 23:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Progressives and others don't like ISNA -- it's not dubious it's an opinion. I think your response to the criticism is warranted. Others have levelled the same criticism of not really criticizing, or even accepting to an extent, Osama bin Laden. ISNA's a mix of members and has a variety of sellers from more or less progressives to more or less wahhabbis. I'm not making a value judgment on ISNA, I'm writing a criticism. You can't just say it's false, because some aspects of ISNA have been associated with such claims, the question is, "is the problem endemic in ISNA, or marginal and they deal with it". You can add responses and the claims may be trumped up and political, but they are not dubious in the sense of not being able to be quoted in this article. gren グレン 23:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Your comments show how much you don't know about ISNA. --JuanMuslim 23:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I apologize for not offering a longer response. Since you will be writing criticism about ISNA, please offer criticism by various types of Muslims. I think that ISNA get worse criticism from Muslims who don't consider themselves "Progressive." --JuanMuslim 23:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I am not sure how my comments show how much I do not know about ISNA but that is neither here nor there. I wrote criticism because I stumbled across that article on MWU! at the same time I found the ISNA page here. Elements related ISNA have been criticized for September 11 attacks Muslim involvement denial. This article mentions other criticism of ISNA, especially support for Qaradawi whom is controversial. ISNA is controversial in several ways, the issue is whether you believe those matters are ISNA itself or are just problems in the Muslim community being attached to ISNA because it is so large. We are not here to decide that for viewers, but to present the controversy.
Since you seem to have brought this to a semi-personal-opinions level I will tell you what I think. First and foremost I don't know. I think because it is so large it has different sides to it and so part of it is being called liberal while part is being called conservative. It is trying to enfranchise a lot of Muslims with different views and that is hard. Black Muslims are probably a hard case because how many are Nation of Islam related and should ISNA say that those things are acceptable? I think that some vendors at ISNNA probably have/do sell material glorifying/accepting acts the US deems as terrorism as lot more than the U.S. government at least would like. Is this the view of ISNA itself? I wouldn't really think so -- but still, I don't think everyone int he leadership has the same view. So, help my try to improve this article, not just mention some silly thing about my comments showing I don't know much about ISNA. Or convince me of The Truth. ~_~ --gren グレン 23:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, one of the problems is that many groups claim that all Muslim orgs state things like this but then the groups don't offer any proof. That particular article by MuslimWakeup was an opinion piece - a very dubious source - and makes all sorts of claims without offering any proof. It's totally one sided, for example, ISNA, etc all supported Bush in his first election bid. And, soon after 9-11, all these Muslim orgs condemned those responsible for the attacks, etc. And this year, ISNA supported a fatwa against terrorism.
From Article:
American Muslims Working to Root Out Terror from Within (Illinois): So this year at the [Islamic Society of North America's] annual convention, which starts Friday in Chicago and is expected to draw 40,000 people, organizers will mount a new campaign against terrorism and extremism, with posters and pamphlets designed for use in mosques and Islamic schools. The materials, Dr. Syeed said, will provide a theological rebuttal to Muslim extremists who cite the Koran and Islamic texts to justify violence." --JuanMuslim 05:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, here are various quotes by various Muslim orgs, primarily CAIR but also by various people associated with ISNA, condemning 9-11, etc. 911statements. Also check out these articles and this one too. --JuanMuslim 05:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

For the record: there is still no evidence to link Osama bin Laden or his group or any Muslims to 9/11. There are speculations, and a few conveniently in tact passports and other documents found at the scene. No proof. In fact, the proof is quite convincing on the contrary. So for any Muslim organisation to deny the link of 9/11 to any Muslims - is perfectly acceptable.

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[edit] Copyright violations/plagiarism

I've removed several paragraphs from this article that were plagiarized from a 2006 Associated Press article (a reprint is available at http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2006Aug28/0,4675,AmericanMuslimsWomen,00.html). The information is encyclopedic and it should be included, however, it must be rewritten and properly sourced. It is NOT acceptable to copy other people's work. GabrielF 06:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indiana

Why is the location of their headquarters in Indiana? Does Indiana have a sizeable Muslims population? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahassan05 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)