Talk:Islam in the Netherlands

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Dear Sirs, I am A Saudi Arabian PhD Holder since 30 years. I saw the Interview done today by Mr. Radi Suudi with the Ex-Amsterdam Mayor. I was very impressed with the discussion and would like to communicate with both of them Please send me their e-mails. I do not speak dutch, but I was reading the Arabic Translation. Regards, Dr. Hilmi K. Turky


I removed the "controversy" part because i thought it wasn't NPOV nor factual correct. the deleted part was:

[edit] Controversy

The general consensus of the current cabinet (Second Balkenende cabinet) is that they find the threat of Islam quite bothering. Especially the right-wing political VVD are of the opinion that the Islamic community inside the Netherlands must be restricted and have less rights, for example founding Islamic schools. Moreover a member of the second cabinet, Ayaan Hirsi Ali (also a VVD member), became very controversial when she made some comments about Muhammad, the founder of Islam. She accused him of being a tyrant and an abuser of women.

The things i had problems with are: 1. The general consensus of the current cabinet (Second Balkenende cabinet) is that they find the threat of Islam quite bothering.

What is the source of this ? isn't it closer to the truth that they find not islam itself, but extreme islam "quite bothering" as well as some problems caused by som morrocan youth possibly linked to a failing integration?

2. Especially the right-wing political VVD are of the opinion that the Islamic community inside the Netherlands must be restricted and have less rights, for example founding Islamic schools.

the thing some peaople in the VVD wants is restriction on founding religious schools in general. of course, the reason they want to do this is their fear for muslim schools being a obstacle in integration. Wilders, who is not in the VVD anymore, has been quoted recently saying he wants to limit rights for muslims. i do not know wether he said that litterally or it was a quote out of context.

3. Moreover a member of the second cabinet, Ayaan Hirsi Ali (also a VVD member), became very controversial when she made some comments about Muhammad, the founder of Islam. She accused him of being a tyrant and an abuser of women.

one this is basically correct, except Hirsi Ali is not a member of cabinet Balkenende II, but a member of parliament.

[edit] 1 million

There are one million people with a 'muslim' background in the Netherlands. All Iranians are counted for expamle, but many of them have christian backgrounds. And not all of people that really have muslim backgrounds are practicising muslims. There are less then 500 musks in the country. If similar methods to the ones used to count for example Catholics are used, 200,000 to 300,000 is more likely.

No, the bulk of Dutch Muslims is made up out of Moroccans and Turks, almost all of whom are Muslim, and of whom there are a LOT more than 300,000.


[edit] Expansion of page

Hi, I've added a lot of new information to the page, about the countries of origin, geographical spread of Muslim population, income, housing, education and employment, political participation, relations between Muslims and native Dutch, and radicalisation of some young Muslims. I'm done for a while now though! If there are any issues with any of the info I added, I'll gladly adapt though. Thanks to Misheu for already doing some reformatting of the (sub)topics. No-itsme 14:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for butting in all the time.. Had I known you were going to add so much, i would have waited with my little changes. You certainly gave me more ideas for additions to this entry Misheu 19:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
No, no, your formatting corrections (categorisation in topics/subtopics, spelling) were very useful, thank you. No-itsme 21:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)