Talk:Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina

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[edit] general history content in sections

I fail to see the purpose of the sections "The Ottoman" and "Bosnian war" in their current form. Much information there is merely duplicated from more pertinent articles. --Joy [shallot] 08:01, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I do see a relevance. The section is short and gives a brief summary of how Islam reached Bosnia. I don't see a need to link to a long article on Ottoman rule in Balkans. A brief summary is needed OneGuy 18:19, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You don't need to link a general Ottoman page, but you should link History of Bosnia and Herzegovina rather than duplicate everything in less detail, and a lot of it may be considered controversial... --Joy [shallot] 20:57, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You can edit whatever you want and I might edit from there (if I disagree) :) OneGuy 00:51, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] prohibition

Consumption of alcohol, once common to all, is now discouraged among Muslims and even prohibited in some Muslim-controlled areas.

Example of area where alcohol is prohibited? OneGuy? --Joy [shallot] 11:34, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ok, I got that paragraph from the Bosnia and Herzegovina Embassy in Pakistan [[1]
Many Muslim women have adopted Islamic dress styles that had not been common, at least in cities, before the war. The destruction of the economy has thrust many previously working women into traditional female roles as housewives and mothers. Members of all groups favor a diet that is heavy on roast meats and bread. However, consumption of alcohol, once common to all, is now discouraged among Muslims and even prohibited in some Muslim-controlled areas.
You can remove it if it's not right OneGuy 18:20, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Well, it's not necessarily wrong, but I doubt that the amount of areas where there's prohibition is really noticable compared to the whole country. I've never heard of it, and such information would probably traverse country borders (because e.g. any traveller would possibly be breaking the local law if they stopped and tried to drink something alcoholic). Let's wait a bit for some Bosnians to provide more information. --Joy [shallot] 21:00, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
No, if alcohol is prohibited in some Muslim-controlled areas, it could be only prohibited for Muslims in that areas. This is true for even more religious Islamic countries. For example, alcohol/pork is prohibited to Muslims in Iraq, Pakistan, UAE, etc. Non-Muslims can drink alcohol in these countries. OneGuy 01:02, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hmm, I've never in my life heard of such areas, nor has anyone I know. If they exist they must be a very minor occurance. Asim Led 03:53, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] To improve the article

This is an interesting start to the article. I think sometime in the future things that need to be improved upon are:

  • "The Ottoman" should be renamed into "The Ottoman Period".
  • I would like to expand a bit on the headscarf and cultural uniqueness of the Islam in Bosnia but Im not sure whether I should do that under "Secularism" or "The Ottoman". Perhaps it would be better to change "Secularism" into "Cultural uniqueness" or something along those lines.
  • It should be mentioned that hanefijski is the historical type of Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
  • The Bosnian war section focuses a bit too much on politics. Maybe it would be good to merge it with the section after it and call it "Bosnian war and consequences"
  • Is the mention of two anti-semitic web sites really that necessary? There are lunatics like that all over the place and I thought that the section up until then had done a great job adressing the issue.
  • Ajvatovica.

My two cents.

p.s. Do you think I should do an interwiki for the "Islam among Bosniaks" article on Bosnian wikipedia[2]. Asim Led 03:53, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Could something be said about the religious tolerance among the population of Sarajevo? Nearly everyone I met there pointed out with great pride that the city had a Mosque, a Cathedral, an Orthodox Church, and a Synagogue within a few blocks of each other downtown. I just can't come up with a good way to say it.
What is the role of the 'Reis-Ulema'? One source mentions him as "The Supreme Authority" of all the Muslims in the country.
Also, I looked up Ajvatovica, but I only found a little bit: Ajvatovica, the oldest Muslim sanctuary in Europe, is visited by 100,000 Bosniaks from around the world every June. I definitely want to hear more about it.... --Key45 20:44, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Some suggestions

  • Hi, I think it would be a good thing if somebody can add to this article two things :

1) A table showing the weight of muslims in Bosnia thru the period we are dealing with

2) To add some informations about how slaves converted to islam in Bosnia.

Thanks

1) "Weight"?
2) Slavery was historically rather insignificant in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Asim Led 04:28, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Maybe he thinks Slavs means slaves :) OneGuy 07:31, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, that makes more sense. And maybe by weight he means percentage of population? I'll add something about that tonight. Asim Led 18:50, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Copywritten images stolen and wrongfully claimed by user ZEC

The photos (Kingfahdsar.JPG & Vogoscamosque1.JPG) are copy written work from a photographer from Sarajevo. Zec claimed the work to be his which is a violation of copyright. In the future, please follow the rules. I will try to obtain the proper consent from the photographer in regards to the given photos.

The images ZEC stole and wrongfully claimed as 'his' were stolen from http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/39206130/ as well as from the photographers Flickr accounts on http://flickr.com/photos/mizi/sets/72157594309520240/ where both of the images can clearly be seen, as well as their copyright tag. The color levels are identical, as well as the hidden watermark that is within the image file which can be viewed by water-mark unmasker in Photoshop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redcardiff (talk • contribs)

I tagged them as {{imagevio}}. It seems that all Zec (talk · contribs) does is stealing images from other sites. Duja► 08:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slav or Serv Slavic tribe.

About me: I am an English person and I've visited Bosnia many times, as I have a girlfriend there who survived the Holocaust and or Genocide there, and as a child she barely escaped the VERY FAMOUS Death camps shown on the Western Media...

I have a problem with the usage of the word "Slav" to describe Bosnians or Bosniaks, because it very simply suggests that one of three Illyrian tribes in Anciant Illyria simply all dropped dead one day.

I suggest before we use the word "Slav" to describe Bosniaks, we first find historical evidence of disappearance of the Illyrian people of Bosona or Bosnia.


Fair enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.67.3.166 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 28 October 2007

Absolutely not. Bosniaks are Slavs, whether you like it or not. This is 100% factually true, and only those who operate on the very fringes of science try to suggest that Bosniaks are anything other than Slavs. Please don't try to insert any ridiculous pseudo-historical "facts" about Bosniaks being "100% Illyrian/Aryan/Blonde-haired blue eyed Scandinavians but we just speak Slavic language" because it is complete rubbish. There are a lot of people who believe many of the lies and half truths presented on Wikipedia, but no one in his right mind would ever believe anything so blatantly erroneous.

P.S - it's very obvious that you are not an Englishman. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 08:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)