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[edit] The two Isabel Allendes

There should be an article about Isabel Allende, Salvador A.'s daughter, who is not identical with the famous author I.A.

She holds a seat in Chile's parliament, and was elected its president in March 2003.

--zeno 23:45, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Cousin

"On September 11 that same year, her cousin was overthrown ..."

If Isabel Allende's father was a cousin of Salvador Allende, how can also Isabel be a cousin of Salvador Allende then?

According to "Vida y espiritus," the book by Isabel Allende Llona and Celia Correas Zapata, Tomás Allende Pesce de Bilbaire (Isabel Allende's father) was the cousin of Salvador Allende. This would make Isabel Allende the first cousin, once removed of Salvador Allende. --Susanjb 18:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


Although Author Isabel Allende's own website claims that she is the cousin of President Salvador Allende,[1] and the section on her Childhood and Youth says her father and Salvador Allende were cousins, the section on her Adult Life refers to him as her uncle. Isabel Allende referred to him as "uncle" in an interview on her official website.[2] The same inconsistency appears on President Salvador Allende's Wikipedia page,[3] where the author Isabel Allende is referred to as his niece. The facts of this inconsistency need to be verified and clarified. Aramink 16:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Although Author Isabel Allende's own website claims that she is the cousin of President Salvador Allende,[4] and the section on her Childhood and Youth says her father and Salvador Allende were cousins, the section on her Adult Life refers to him as her uncle. Isabel Allende referred to him as "uncle" in an interview on her official website.[5] The same inconsistency appears on President Salvador Allende's Wikipedia page,[6] where the author Isabel Allende is referred to as his niece. The facts of this inconsistency need to be verified and clarified. Aramink 16:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone who is a daughter of a cousin would be a first cousin, once removed of her father's cousin. I've verified it in the recent newspaper article. (RossF18 17:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC))
However, as I did further looking into it, there seemed to be a variation from newspaper to newspaper and from website to website. There seems to be a consensus that Isabel's father was Salvador's cousin, which would make Isabel first cousin, once removed as mentioned previously. However, there are sources that refer to Salvador as her uncle. I've tried to clarify the dispute a bit but if it's still unclear, please help me out. Also, she might have said that he was her uncle just for the ease of it. It's much easier to say "oh, he was my uncle" or "I'm his niece" than to say, "oh, he was my first cousin, once removed" etc. At least that's my theory. There is also the possibility of cultural effect in many countries having younger people refer to their close family elders as uncle or auntie, even though they might be actually cousins several generations removed.--RossF18 23:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this is both a cultural and a lingual thing. In Latin American Spanish, at least (I make no claims as to that of Spain) there is no word to differentiate an uncle from an older cousin: both are "tio". Enchanting catalyst (talk) 20:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] S.Allende's Dead

based on recent recent informations, it has been found out, that Salvador Allende definitely commited suicide, while the junta was besieging LA Moneda. This information is based on the old confirmation of his doctor and recent confirmation of S. Allende's bodyguard, who was the last man who had seen him.

--Upsala 11:58, 29 Aug 2005

Salvador Allende certainly killed himself, with a machine gun given him by Fidel Castro. It was terrible.

This is amply described in a book by Monica Gonzalez, La Conjura, Ediciones B, Santiago 2000. The book includes a copy of the coroner's report as well a report by his personal doctor, who found him with the top of his head blown off, rifle between his knees. (The cornoner's report also clarifies that he was NOT drunk as rightists claim, but was sober.)

dermota 15 Nov 2005

It has recently been stated, according to a report in a Colombian magazine (I forget which one), that Allende, seeing his position was hopeless, wanted to surrender, but that one of his Cuban advisers, wishing him to be seen as a martyr, killed him. Alloco1 01:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

That's nonsense... you can't be serious. --194.203.215.254 (talk) 16:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lesbian?

Why does the article say she is a lesbian writer and then go on to talk it her current husband?

vandalism maybe?? --CesarCossio 01:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Must be vandalism. She has been married twice, she is a wife and mother, and there is no hint of any other liaisons in her life.Das Baz 16:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It could be confusion due to the fact the Allende is definatly a femenist writer. Perhaps that was misconstrued? Rekov

[edit] Peruvian??

if she was born in Peru why does it say she is Chilean?? i know she spent most of her life in Chile but shouldn't be "peruvian" instead of "chilean" ?? --CesarCossio 01:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Because she was the daughter of a Chilean ambassador. Children of diplomatic staff on foreign duty inherit the nationality of their parent (if the local law has a ius solis principle they could take the local nationality too, but the other one is guaranteed). baloo_rch 02:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Suplementary information: Chilean law recognises also the citizenship to children of Chilean parents. For example, current minister Ricardo Lagos Weber was born in the United States and i remember the case of a Chilean football player that was borned in Australia. baloo_rch 02:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
That is, born in Chile. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
To our peruvian friend Cesar: If you were born in an Airplane over the ocean, lets say, in a Lufthansa... is your nationality then Lufthansian? Sure silly, but maybe the correct level to the question ;D --194.203.215.254 (talk) 16:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
What matters to us is that she is known as a Chilean writer. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grandfather's Age

The House of the Spirits article claims that her grandfather was 90 in 1981, while this one says 99. Which one is right?

The book by Mary Main agrees with this article. The lower figure is probably an error. Das Baz 16:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I set the age from 133 which seems rather unlikely to the age of 99 also given on the Spanish version.

[edit] The cause of Paula's death

Paula died not so much of her illness as of the improper medical treatment given her. The same can be said of George Washington and Alvin Smith. Das Baz 16:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The same can also be said of Abraham Lincoln, who died because the doctor treating him gave him whisky. Any doctor knows you dont give whisky or other liquids to an unconscious person. Rekov

[edit] Adult Life

Can someone confirm the name of the children's magazine, as I have my doubts it is called Genitals. But it may be?

That's vandalism. --RossF18 23:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish or Latin American influence?

Spanish literature is that which is of Spanish origin. As Allende is not Spanish, the article should mention her influence on Latin-American literature, and not keep referring to her as a Spanish writer. DUH!Wuapinmon (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

She writes in Spanish, not Latin American and her influence is on the entire Spanish speaking world which is referred to as the Spanish world. Latin American literature is written in Spanish and her impact extends to everyone who reads the language, thus Spanish literature. Her being Latin American has nothing to do with who she influences. Just like someone like Mark Twain or Hemingway or Shakespeare made an impact on then entire English literature which includes every English speaker, including U.K. and Australia, so does Allende impacts everyone who can read Spanish originals (not that I'm comparing any particular author to another at this point so please do not zero in on this sentence to pick apart my completely different point). Also, please remain polite. Your "Duh" comment was not helpful and insulting. We appologize for offending you and forcing you resort to "DUH." Also, if you like to discuss it, please, let's do that. Don't just change it without discussing first. --RossF18 (talk) 03:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
P.S. and last time I checked, the Spanish that is spoken and written in Latin America is of Spanish origin, so the literatue would also be of Spanish origin. If you, on the other hand, trying to make a point that Spanish literature can only come from one country, Spain, we can discuss that point separately. But, Spanish origin extends to the entire Latin American Spanish speaking world (as distinguished from Latin American native american population authors). --RossF18 (talk) 03:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I do apologize for saying "DUH." Just because John Grisham writes in English, and is of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, does not make him an English author. Calling Allende a "Spanish" author is the same thing.Wuapinmon (talk) 23:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've since realized my folly (a few minutes after I posted in fact as evidenced by the current edit per your post).--RossF18 (talk) 03:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)