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Contents 1 Curse 1.1 Sources on this subject 1.2 Commentary on sources 2 Link suggestions

[edit] Curse

I have removed:

His scathing letter to the crown became the source of the Jewish curse against Spain, forbidding Jews to even set foot on Spanish soil until Franco abolished the Inquisition.

Jews were forbidden by Spanish law. It was repelled somewhen in the 19th century. The Inquisition had no jurisdiction on Jews but on Judaizants. --Error 23:30, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There is no such word as Judaizants. Tomer ^TALK 23:35, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

I meant false Conversos. It seems that Judaizers is not exactly the word either. --Error 00:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was pretty sure I knew what you meant already. :-p Tomer ^TALK 00:17, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

The part about Franco is incorrect and is the only part that should have been removed. Consequently, I'm putting the rest of it back in. Tomer ^TALK 23:35, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I see that it hasn't been removed. As for Franco's rôle, there are more posqim who regard the abolition of the Inquisition (in 1834, not earlier by Napoléon) as the end of the curse against Spain, than who date it to Franco's repeal of laws that didn't grant Jews in Spain full citizenship rights. Tomer ^TALK 23:44, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't Miguel Primo de Rivera or even earlier 19th century governments who offered citizenship to Sephardim? --Error 00:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is muddy in my mind. I'm researching it even now, and will return soon, hopefully, with some useful information. I'm not sure how much of it will be germane to this article, most of it will probably more properly belong in Jews in Spain. Tomer ^TALK 00:17, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources on this subject

from http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=992&letter=S&search=Spain (1906):

When Spain became a republic in 1858, a repeal of the edict of expulsion was secured from General Prim through the influence of H. Guedalla of London, and Jews were permitted to tread once more upon Spanish soil. Very few of them have availed themselves of this privilege, a small congregation at Madrid being the chief sign of renewed life. Even at the present day in Spain Jews are not allowed to have any public building in which to hold their religious services.

This info bears sifting thru as well: http://wais.stanford.edu/Spain/spain_sephardicjewsunderfranco112302.html

Tomer ^TALK 00:29, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Commentary on sources

So...it appears the edict was repealed in 1858, 24 years after the abolition of the Inquisition in Spain. (Keep in mind, that quotation above is from 1906.) Franco, for whatever reason, or set of reasons, set about to reëstablish a functional Jewish presence in Spain, about a century after the abolition of the Inquisition, somewhat more successfully it would appear, than General Prim and H. Guedalla's efforts, as there are presently over 10k Jews in Spain.

Do you have a proposal for how to include this info into the article? Error? Anyone? It strikes me that some of it should be included in Jews in Spain as I said earlier, since it seems that that article implies there were no more Jews in Spain after the Expulsion. Tomer ^TALK 00:34, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link suggestions

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