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The spelling on Grand Master Charles Sereff's name is wrong. It is not spelled "Serref"
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[edit] Hangul/Hanja
Sorry - I reverted the last change (where descriptions were added while Hangul/Hanja (i.e. Korean language) were deleted), because:
1. Why delete the Hangul/Hanja? It will be very difficult to find these again on your own. 2. The meanings are already there, in the form of linked articles (with some exceptions).
If you want to write the meanings there anyway, please do not delete the Hangul/Hanja that is there already. However, in most cases, by clicking on one of the form names, you will find a related article that is much longer and more detailed than the ITF's one-line descriptions (these articles researched by other Wikipedians).
No hard feelings. :)
Edededed 01:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Spelling
There are 3 possible arguments for the spelling of "Taekwondo": one is that it should follow the McCune-Reischauer Romanization (the system used by virtually all academics and other publishers on Korean topics since its invention in the 30s (except those in Korea under pressure from the vacillating political influences of the Korean Ministry of Education), the Revised Romanization (the current Ministry of Education favorite), or the most common spelling among the majority of English speakers (for words so widely used that they have entered the English language). There are minor variations on the two Romanization systems, so that spellings such as "Tekwondo" "Taekgwondo" could be argued for, but the consensus of the two systems is "Taekwondo," and this is how the vast majority of English speakers spell it, including virtually everyone in the U.S. (I personally have never seen it spelled otherwise since first encountering it in the seventies, until seeing ITF's misspelling here on Wikipedia a few weeks ago.) ITF can retain the mildly misspelled pre-1984-MOE-style "Taekwon-Do" as part of the name of its organization, but its members should not imperialistically change the standard spelling that this encyclopedia has adopted, which is "Taekwondo." With regard to the spelling "gup" vs. "kup," I think arguments for "gup" are much stronger, as that's the way it is actually pronounced (voiced, not unaspirated unvoiced initial velar) and its best rendering probably being hyphenated, but both spellings are defensible, so I didn't change it back to my preference when 86.129.67.234 changed all instances today from "gup" to "kup." As for the other misspellings by 86.129.67.234, I can only say that spelling is not determined by the first linguistically naive Korean who jots down an poorly conceived Americanized spelling (with no regard for international conventions or the established standards used by most writers and publishers on Korean topics throughout the world) on the back of an envelope. -However, it must also be stressed that within the ITF the hyphon donates the difference between sport and traditional TaeKwon-Do, the "Do" bieng the path along which the practitioner developes his mental and philosophical awareness. Specifically this spelling separates ITF from the WTF method of TaeKeon-Do practice-in other words, through the practice of Tae and Kwon, we may arrive at an understanding of the Do.DoctorW 22:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
It's hard to believe that Matt TKD read what I had already written above when he chose to "correct" the spelling corrections of an expert, changing them to idiosyncratic and contradictory spellings, most of which were [1] not a part of any of the 32 published (as of about 1980) proposals for the Romanization of Korean (or any since, I'm very confident), [2] surprisingly ignorant of international spellings and conventions, and [3] spellings that in some cases have been shown in empirical studies to increase mispronunciation (compared with McCune-Reischauer). -DoctorW 04:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
The Korean Governments Deptartment of Toruism and Culture adopted the spelling of Taekwondo as one word, at the suggestion of the Hangul Society, a group of 7 scholars of the Korean language, after they had a meeting on February 26, 1987, where they also suggested the name change of many of the terms used for Taekwondo.--Bigzilla 01:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The ITF organisation uses "Taekwon-Do" (with or without hyphen, normally with it in my experience) and "Kup". As Master O'Neill said once "We don't speak Korean, we speak Taekwon-Do". Syneil 17:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] www.itf-information.com
Of the ITF organizations mentioned, which operates http://www.itf-information.com ??
I believe it is Master Choi's (ITF-C) Syneil 17:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jamasuruna
James Cunningham Vanity edit removed from article - User:Jamasuruna see WP:Vanity, WP:Vandalism. ---- Bacmac 22:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unencyclopedicness
What exactly are the issues with the appropriateness of the "Recent history" section? --Nucleusboy (talk) 22:25, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
- None really that I can read into it. Bwalker5435 (talk) 19:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Three ITFs
Why is only Master Trân Triêu Quân's ITF listed? After the death of Gen. Choi the ITF split into three groups each claiming to be the real ITF. So far nothing certain has come forward with regards to which one is the actual ITF and I think that all three should be linked to and a section on the more recent history (how and why the groups split) should be added. --DexxW (talk) 19:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Courts in Austria and Canada ruled in favour of Master Trân Triêu Quân's ITF. Who the legal ITF is has been decided for some time. Bwalker5435 (talk) 21:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I think Master Choi's ITF deserves to be mentioned. The contested nature should also be mentioned. Someone reading this article should also know that there are 3 organisations with the same name. Rulings in Austria and Canada have no jurisdiction outside, those rulings were probably made on narrow financial or legal grounds.AleXd (talk) 11:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, whoever is the "legal" or "offical" ITF, whatever that actually means, it is a historical fact that there were three seperate claims at legitimacy. AleXd (talk) 12:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
There used to be a description of all three different claims, with their reasons for claiming legitimacy. It is still pertinent as all three "branches" (or whatever) of ITF are still extant and operational. 139.133.7.37 (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
