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Recommendation: This article really should include some references and footnotes. The author appears to be familiar with Jaques Vallee. Some specific sources for Dr. Vallee's research should be referenced. Also, I am going to make a couple small changes in the first paragraph to better explain the basic idea of this hypothesis, as the current article seems to presume the reader is already somewhat familiar with it.
this text is really funny... "indeed the answer would destroy cherished notions of humanity's place in the universe", as though that's such an earth-shattering realization that it would paralyze our society any more than being on the verge of some technological singularity. I don't think so. -- 216.234.56.130 21:16, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
That's not funny at all. There are a lot of very religious people in the world, and this view does not meet with their beliefs. Look how some of the more dogmatic religions are when someone says the smallest thing to challenge their beliefs. Some of these remarks are punishable by death! I've personally met religious people who were disturbed by the very idea that evidence of life was found on a meteorite from Mars, because they felt the Bible said that was not the case. History is filled with such examples. Look at Copernicus and Galileo and the religious disputes over heliocentrism. DavidRavenMoon 01:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Control Mechanism
I question whether these two paragraphs (at least in their current form) actually belong here.. the second paragraph in particular seems POV (it seems to assume there are aliens controlling humanity) edit: I gave in and rewrote parts of the second paragraph, spending way more time on an odd topic than it deserves :) Digfarenough 14:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Proof of Interdimensional Theory vs. Hypothesis
An Hypothesis requires no proof, whereas Theories require at least circumstantial proof. The existence of interdimensional people who interact in real time with humans, is readily proveable in many quiet natural areas that have a local water source. No laboratory is required. Interdimensional and invisible people often exist in those areas by the dozens, if not hundreds. They range in size from short 4 legged lizard like but intelligent people, up to the tallest Bigfoot/Sasquatch people. All frequently attempt some sort of real time communication with us. The smaller people often utilize electronic clicking. The larger often utilize crisp branch breaks snaps, that may come from a nearby location from which there are neither visible branches nor visible interdimensional people. Their desire to seek safey in the higher dimensions, may have been motivated by moronic man's inherant tendancy to shoot anything that he either does not understand or he fears. Consequently, the interdimensional people remain invisible in the higher dimensions for all except for the most trusted of us, such as women and children. Virtually none of the interdimensional people have demonstrated malevolence toward man. They appear to be more likely interested in attaining some sort of communcation with man, performing some simple and harmless tricks of amazement, and maintaining an extended friendship. These interdimensional people can exist in multiple dimensions. The further away from man's dimension that they exist in, the less our animate, and inanimate objects as well as gravity, seem to affect them. In dimensions that are only twice removed from man's, our plant and animal life likely no longer has a solid presence. In dimensions twice or more removed from man's, the medium size and larger interdimensional people can emit a strong electromagnet radiation that can be felt on our skin, when they are within about 50 yards. The electricity necessary for that radiation, is likely the driving force in their ability to change dimensions. (The modification of frequency of vibration in free quanta loop strings, aka string theory, as described in "X3" by Adrian Dvir.) In dimensions three or more removed from man's, neither our gravity, nor our principles of moment of inertia, seem to affect them. This is because they can both fly and/or transfer locations in an instant, when in those dimensions. For instance, they can jump back 50 yards in the wink of an eye. Naturally occurring interdimensional people seem to have the capability of reverting back to an almost pure energy orb phase, possibly for the purposes of travel, safety and stealth. At night, Orbs can often be viewed and filmed with the assistance of infrared night vision devices that have an infrared illuminator. In conclusion, circumstantial proof of the presence of interdimensional intelligent lifeforms can be readily obtained in a variety of ways, thus qualifying "interdimensional" for Theory status instead of as an unproven Hypothesis. 4.242.174.88 (talk) 19:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Every topic deserves it! If people rewrite topics they don't agree with, that taints the story with their skeptical viewpoint. And then it's no longer in the spirit of the topic. As crazy as it sounds, there are some convincing arguments for the possibility of present, or ancient control of humanity by non humans. DavidRavenMoon 01:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Trimming Article
I've removed the following sections, as they seem to be an excessive level of detail:
Going further back in history, to prehistoric Europe, during the ice age, before the written word existed, people recorded their world in a symbolic language of cave paintings and illustrations have since been found, deep underground, of animals of various sorts; the deeper one goes and the more inaccessible the cave becomes, the more deformed the animals appear, eventually becoming demon or monster like in their appearance, each monster being made up of parts of various animals, for instance, the head of a horse and the body of a bison with the legs of an ibex, etc.
It is conjectured by modern science that these images represent the spiritual beliefs of the people of the time, with caves thought to be "womb like", and the illustrations of the monsterous animal hybrids representing mother earth, creating the various forms of animals that inhabit the world. The deeper one goes the more chaotic the forms, approaching more realistic forms the closer one is to the surface, before the earth creates or gives birth to the species that inabit the surface world. Alternatively it might just be easily said that demons, illustrative of the forms that people drew on the walls, were actually manifesting within the caves and communicating with the people and influencing their view of the world, their religion, and creating myth. Comparisons can be drawn with reported manifestations of dwarves or ogres in the mines of medieval Germany.
[edit] Anolog of the matrix and animatrix movie.
Just want to note, that popular fiction like the Matrix and the Animatrix. Actualy are about these kind of worlds as described by this phenomene. Especialy the Animatrix, part in which there is house with errors in time/space.
Depending of phylosophy of what our universe is. I think it's not a so uncommen tought interdimensional hypothesis. A quantum computer literly uses the concept of multidimensional space. Or rather multiple happenings in a common defined space
Perhaps it's an idea to have some links from this page to these subjects (animatrix / quantum multiverse ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.217.143.153 (talk) 21:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Redirection from Interdimensional
A peculiarity exists in that those seeking information on the subject of "interdimensional", are redirected to "dimensions", with no reference to this section. "Dimensions" has to do with the existence of any number of dimensions, whereas "interdimensional" has to do with the ability to change dimensions, especially to and from the higher dimensions. I propose that the redirection be to this section and not to the "Dimensions" section.208.100.240.151 (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] John A. Keel's Ultraterrestrials
John A. Keel's Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis falls under the Interdimensional Hypothesis. Keel wrote that UFOs and other phenomena are manifestations of beings who exist in a sort of parallel dimension.To be specific he said that these entities operate in a part of the electromagnetic spectrum that the human eye can't perceive. I think a paragraph of two should be dedicated to his writings. I'm currently studying his books, so in a few weeks I'll feel confident enough to add to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vomitbrown (talk • contribs) 18:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Youtube Example of Little Interdimensional People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYwU1RGOC9c Although the video is labeled as a baby Bigfoot, and Bigfoot are known to be interdimensional, it is unlikely that a baby Bigfoot of this size would be out of his mothers arms, much less have the agility to hang from and frolic in tree branches. The little person is seen in the tree in the distant background, and was apparently unintentionally photographed.208.100.241.95 (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Field Study of Large Interdimensional People
WARNING! If you are potentially living in denial of a weak mind and/or are emotionally insecure in regard to the thought of millions of large hairy and benevolent interdimensional people inhabiting this planet, STOP right here and instead go read those vanilla coated Fairy Tale Stories that you read to your children. Otherwise, read on at your own risk of suffering either unjustified anger, temporary or permanent mental illness, hallucinations and/or nightmares. Remember the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, in regard to Free Speech. You did not even have to come here to read this. Nor is anyone forcing you to read the following: In an attempt to get the reader immediately up to speed on the subject matter, I offer this summary of scientifically verifiable field observations that could be considered as highly useful for those with an open mind. First of all, Bigfoot are just one species of an entire family of interdimensional people (See wikipedia, "interdimensional hypothesis") that inhabit this planet. Interdimensional means that they can both exist in the higher dimensions, as well as in Man's dimension by changing their apparent dimension at will. When they are existing in a higher dimension, they are normally invisible to Man, but we can hear their noises. Bigfoot are normally polite, benevolent and just want to get along, so the fact that they are invisible in a higher dimension, does not automatically spell trouble for Man. Quite the opposite. They appear to prefer to constantly "cut Mankind slack" in view of Man's perpetual disrespect for them. At least half a dozen Bigfoot appear to have followed me home and hung around and inside my house. There was never any indication of hostility. So no worries mate. They are audio detectable in at least 3 higher dimensions. The higher dimensions appear to be sub-dimensions of Man's 3 dimensional world. Although the number of higher dimensions may well be infinite, the Bigfoot appear to emit noises that tends to indicate that they have some favorite higher dimensions that they exist in. Physicists will be absolutely NO HELP on the subject matter, since many are still falsely claiming that the higher dimensions are "very small". Of course, with the pressure from Right Wing Extremists to bury this truth, it is no small wonder that the Physicists are not interested in being publicly candid in regard to this subject matter. The higher dimensions appear to be sub-dimensions of Man's dimension because the Bigfoot's footsteps still contact our 3 dimensional ground and make some noise in the first favorite two removed dimensions from Man's. The further out they go, the less gravity effects them as does the solidity of our 3 dimensional objects such as trees. So they can walk through our trees in the further out dimensions because our trees have no physical presence in those higher dimensions. Bigfoot can howl, throw both solid and invisible objects, make footprints, make snorting or heavy breathing sounds, etc., all while completely invisible in at least the dimension once removed from ours. In the dimension twice removed from Man's, their footstep force on the ground is no more than a few ounces. They often tiptoe through camp at night, in this dimension. Bigfoot often understand the local language and are highly telepathic. They have appeared to do telepathic eavesdropping from at much as 300 yards away. Consequently they can and do like to eavesdrop on our dreams. They also like to communicate with us and they especially like to establish a friendship. Some will demonstrate their telepathic ability with a simple camping game, if they like you. In that harmless game, they position themselves perhaps a hundred yards away from your tent or camper. The instant that you change your level of waking consciousness (just prior to either moving or even opening your eyes) in the early morning or even in the middle of the night, they will break a small branch as a "good morning" greeting. They will wait up all night to do this so they apparently like to play this game of amazement. Most of the games that they play with us, are games of amazement that even our best magicians would be envious. Their attempts at communication is evident by branch breaks, wood knocks, foot scuffing, electronic clicks, electronic beeps, howls, etc. If they don't like what you are just thinking, they may demolish the local area with a large branch, or slap the side of your house or trailer. In very rare circumstances, Bigfoot have been witnessed transforming into a visible Orb. They likely travel as an invisible Orb during daylight hours, and perform reconnaissance of our campsites within a few moments of our arrival, as an Orb. If you are a good listener, you can hear the invisible Bigfoot Orb briefly buzz your campsite, or even your living room, but you will naturally see nothing with your naked eye. But night vision with IR assist can see them. The audio observation requires complete silence by all. The faint buzzing sound can be heard at air temperatures well below the temps that bees can fly at. Orbs can instantaneously accelerate to extremely high speed and stop on a dime. So the Bigfoot can follow you home as an invisible Orb, or find you at a later date by following perhaps your aura, or your stink. So be nice to the Bigfoot at all times. When they change back to a 3-D being, we can sometimes hear either two footsteps hit the ground, or a single foot push off in loose gravel, for instance. Bigfoot can consume the higher dimensional presence of food that you leave, and leave the rest for you. So they can and do enter houses at night and eat perhaps the 4th dimensional presence (the dimension once removed from Man's) of the food, and then they just leave without so much as a thankyou note. You would never know that they were there unless perhaps a dog gets upset. They especially like Christmas because of the cookies that you leave around the tree. Listen next year from an adjoining room, for very light electronic clicks, footsteps, foot scuffing sounds or even package wrapper crinkling, from around the tree. The fabled Santa's Elves would likely be just one of the many types of little interdimensional people, some of who actually wear tailored clothing. The Bigfoot appear to like to celebrate our holidays with us. Leave some fresh fruit behind when you visit the forest next time. Leave fresh fruit out in your kitchen or on your dining room table. Both the big and the little interdimensional people will find it, and hold kind thoughts about you. Which never hurts considering that they are supernatural for all practical purposes, and appear to possess many of the characteristics that we assign to either Santa Claus and/or God. The possibility exists that the conglomerate of Bigfoot people may even act together as a unit to essentially be God, for what little we know. So the Right Wing Extremist's apparent goal to seek complete societal ignorance in regard to the subject matter, does not appear to be well thought out. Bigfoot can easily become emotionally attached to us, but that does not mean that they will make themselves visible to us. They do not want to scare people that they like so they remain invisible to be polite. If they do not like either you or what you may stand for, they are more likely to make themselves visible in order to scare you. Right Wing Conservatives would be a likely candidate for a brief visual display. To the more intellectually astute, this display can be perhaps a way of demonstrating God's will by gently disciplining those that sorely need it. Did I mention that they are fairly intelligent yet? Try getting a picture of one, if you haven't figured that out yet. This should suffice as a good basic primer to get thousands of the curious onto the same page. Or they can continue to live in either denial or ignorance, for the rest of their lives. Tricks, camera traps, guns, intent to do harm, intent to be friends, etc, can all be easily detected by the Bigfoot. So pursuit type tactics of obtaining proof of their existence, are normally a complete waste of time. Bigfoot will find you if you let them know that you truely wish to be friends with them.208.100.241.248 (talk) 00:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] My deletion of a hypothesis from the article.
I removed the "variant hypothesis" on UFOs being an unusual optical/electromagnetic phenomenon based on as-yet-unsuspected properties of light: I don't see that this has anything to do with the Interdimensional hypothesis, although it is of course a perfectly good hypothesis in its own right.Ben Standeven (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
