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[edit] Meaning

You think the meaning would still be different in Australia ? User:anthere

Not quite sure... I need to do more research. Andrewa 01:38 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

I agree with Andrewa. Or maybe there are two different terms (e.g. intensive farming for high levels of pesticides and care, intensive agriculture for a way of allocating land - implying high levels of care as a consequence, not as a definition). Rdelre 10:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

pretty biased, ill try to edit - unsigned

What's biased? It's clearly labeled under "disadvantages," and it only lists those disadvantages that are well-documented. Jason Godesky 15:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] merge with factory farming

can we merge this article with factory farming. i feel this article has been a bid neclected but carries the more neutral title and both cover the same subject.trueblood 13:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

would also merge with Mechanised agriculture, a 3 way merge. but i am a deletionist and may be overreacting

have no opinion on that, because i want to deal with this first. factory farming will keep an article, but i hope only about the usage of the term.

i started moving passages from the factory farming article into this article. maybe these passages can be changed, since the seem not exactly neutral. but i believe this is the better home for them.trueblood 10:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] factory farming / mechanization / intensive farming are different

These three topics should not be merged; instead, the distinction between the terms should be clarified.

'Mechanization of agriculture' is a fairly easy one to seperate, since it could take a more historical-technical bend, addressing specifically the use of machines and technology in agriculture, including irrigation systems. 'Factory farming' and 'intensive farming' overlap, (as might agribusiness, Corporate farming, Green Revolution) but the terms could be distinct.

Factory farming is primarily a definition of operation scale. Intensive farming, on the other hand, can be any scale (though it is generally large scale), and refers primarily to the amounts of resource inputs relative to output. The britannica online suggests that factory farming applies only to animal farming, a definition supported by most animal rights and activist literature including fast food nation.

-wgh 18:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC) dialectric. User_talk:Dialectric

i started doubting the wisdom of my intiative. factory farming though is not a name for a farming system, it is a highly charged term, used as you say by animal rights activists. i wanted to get an article about modern intensive farming that has a more neutral touch to it. with the name factory farming that is impossible. maybe i should try to move to industrial farming...

i agree mechanization has a mostly historical angle. trueblood 21:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC) i removed the section i brought into this article to a new article industrial farming. so this article can really improved into a neutral article, describing what intensive farming is as opposed to extensive farming without any judgmental tone. garden plot could fall into intensive farming, an australian farm with thousands of cattle or sheep but also thousands of hectar would be extensively farmed.trueblood 09:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

Agree that factory farming is different. Was pointed over here from the factory farming article. Intensive farming is definitely different from factory farming. I'm also arguing that factory farming is NOT industrial agriculture too. NathanLee 21:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Supply a source and stop giving your own opinion. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, these are different and should be separate articles. Jav43 20:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
They are used interchangeably by reliable sources; we've given plenty of examples in Factory farming and its talk page. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Experts use these terms differently. News reporters get technical stuff wrong all the time, and in casual conversation terms are often used imprecisely. WAS 4.250 00:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Although they're used in the same article (even in the same sentence) we haven't yet had anything that shows the terms are anything other than a type of the other.. The CNN article doesn't use them interchangably [1], britannica and the sci-tech dictionary says it applies to animal farming as per cramped conditions [2], this one supports the notion that the term means livestock [3], this one refers to concentrated animal feeding operations [4] no mention of "factory farm" anywhere, this one [5] does not mention the term factory farm, webster's dictionary backs up the indoors/livestock [6], this article [7] talks specifically about cows.. On and on through the list.. Nothing to back up your claims, thus: it is original research.

Even the PETA link on factory farming (completely unadmissable I would say given PETA are a pro-vegan, anti every type of farming site) mentions only animals [8]. NathanLee 11:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move to Intensive agriculture ?

As long as we're moving, does anyone else think that Intensive agriculture would be better than Intensive farming? Haber 04:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Please investigate as much as is warrented, then post the results here, then wait 24 hours for response, then act boldly according to consensus. WAS 4.250 05:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I have no complaints about that move. Particularly since there is also the term "semi-intensive agriculture" and "extensive agriculture" out there[9] .. Farming's a bit less of a formal sounding name (in my opinion). NathanLee 11:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Additionally the term is the one preferred by britannica.. [10] So I reckon go for it.. NathanLee 18:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs a lot of references and tidy up

Made some attempts at the header to up the citations and tidy up the wording a bit to include a few more things. Anyone else want to have a go too? Whip the article into shape.. NathanLee 19:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Have added in definitions, bunch of rewording, a pretty picture, section on advantages/disadvantages, start of sections on the types.. Any and all feedback welcome. NathanLee 20:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Factory farming naming dispute

Talk:Factory_farming#Request_for_Comment is factory farming synonymous with intensive farming or industrial agriculture? --Coroebus 10:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, here's an article from today that talks of an activist report that mentions again the animal and the confinement aspect.. SMH blog article, which if you follow the links has a definition:

'a system of raising animals, using 'intensive production' line methods that maximise the amount of meat produced, while minimising costs. Industrial animal agriculture is characterised by high stocking densities and/or close confinement, forced growth rates, and high mechanisation, and low labour requirements... Latterly, the term has been extended to include farming practices that involve the use of transgenetic farm animals.'

As we've nothing to suggest crops are referred, and really: this question is only coming up because we have some disruptive editors on factory farming who haven't yet been able to answer the arguments against they're weird interpretation of two articles.. Versus encyclopaedia entries, normal interpretations etc etc.. I dunno how many hundred quotes you found Coroebus. But it's definitely animal related.. As intensive farming can be crop related, it's different. NathanLee 11:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I was actually posting the link here to the factory farming RfC to solicit comments over at the RfC talk, rather than here. The idea of the RfC is to get some input from people outside of the dispute who can hopefully look at the evidence dispassionately. --Coroebus 11:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Aah, fair enough.. I'd say that the people in the chat earlier/above on this page seemed to come to the conclusion they were different.. (the first handful of sections) NathanLee 12:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)