Talk:Institut d'Études Politiques de Paris

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[edit] MPA and MBA

There needs to be detailed sections on each of the Sciences-Po 12 master degrees, but especially on the new MPA and MBA programs!

[edit] Pictures!

We also need more legitimiately uploaded pictures of Sciences-Po.

[edit] use of the article

The school should be referred to as "Sciences Po" not "the Sciences Po".

[edit] fr

I don't understand why the fr were removed: now the names don't link to any article, which is rather silly.

And yes, we don't need mention of the other IEP.

This is how Wikipedia works: when articles don't exist, you write them. Don't forget that about 5.8 billion people don't speak french. Peco 06:23, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

But then it should appear clearly from the fact that there is an article in French and none in English that the English version need be written, no?

You're new here! That what red link means. Peco 09:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FNSP

La Fondation Nationale des Sciences Politiques is Sciences Po's world-class research institution dedicated to many domains of political and social sciences.

I'm afraid it's not exactly true. The FNSP administrates Sciences po, Sciences po being subbordinated to the FNSP. Peco 15:11, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Sciences Po refers both to the whole : IEP and FNSP. That the FNSP administers the IEP is barely relevant here and mentioned elsewhere.

Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that. Peco 19:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listing of Notable Alumnus

A previous discussion with User:81.7.26.202 resolved my confusion w.r.t. the listing of Ambassador Paul Bremer in this article. Since Ambassador Bremer was neither "head of state" and he wasn't the president nor prime minister of Iraq either, his listing was moved to World politics and government. Why has he been moved again? This time he's listed under world governance.

For the benefit of those who are a bit sketchy on the topic, the United States government is partitioned into three main branches of government:

  • 1. Executive branch (the President of the United States)
  • 2. Legislative branch
  • 3. Judicial branch

Neither branch has more power over the other; except of course, the President of the United States who has special powers (which apparently is always under both congressional and public scrutiny) that include the authority to veto bills; appoint ambassadors, appoint members of his/her cabinet and the judicial branch (i.e the supreme court); pardon criminals; make executive decisions for the people whom he/she swore to serve, and make use of the United States military as the "Commander in Chief". Ambassador Bremer is not the President of the United States. He was appointed by the President of the United States in 2003 to serve in Iraq (which ended officially on June 28, 2004).

Again, my point is, Ambassador Bremer has been misplaced again.,,,,,<<<<greetings!,,,Ariele 18:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Governance, not Government

I appreciate the Constitutional lesson, but I'm American (and the one who listed Bremer under International Governance). I think you do not fully understand the distinction between government, which you outline a bit above, and governance. Governance cannot be defined in such a clear, limited, and anachronistic way. Governance is not government, and Paul Bremer is not listed as head of state or government. He is listed as a head of international governance given that he was the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq. In essence, Bremer was the American proconsul in Iraq. The term governance is not associated with the formal government of any one state, but is more associated with governing - or with political authority, institutions, and, ultimately, control. Governance in this particular sense denotes formal and informal political institutions or individuals that aim to coordinate and control interdependent social relations and that have the ability to enforce decisions within a given organization, state, region, or on the world stage more generally. This would include a head of the Red Cross or CARE International, a UN Secretary-General, and someone like Paul Bremer.

Dear anonymous:
If you're going to be headstrong about this, then my only reponse is this:
From the standpoint of those who are reading the Sciences Po article for the very first time, the perception is erroneous. Wikipedia was recently scrutinized for allowing anonymous users to contribute false information. I will repeat again, the ambassador did not have the authority equal to that of the President of the United States. For some reason you and several others seem to think he had and has. And for the benefit of those who are a little fanatical religiously, the ambassador is NOT the Antichrist. There are those who thinks he is.
And to repeat, User:81.7.26.202 and I concur that the ambassador fits best under government and politics not under world governance.
<Regards>.....Ariele 19:21, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
p.s. If you think the ambassador should fall under international governance, then you should also consider adding Christian Dior to the list as well. He is, afterall, the king of world fashion.
The anonymous User:24.58.136.168 has reverted a previous placement of the subject matter. The listing is questionable and conficts with the decision made by others.,,,,Ariele 19:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your Own Ignorance (compliments of User:24.58.136.168)

Sorry, but you clearly do not understand what governmance is vis-a-vis government. I suggest you look it up b/c the distinction is certainly not erroneous.

There's no need to apologize...for the one who calls another "ignorant" has his/her shortcomings too.,,,Ariele 19:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Your explanation for moving his listing [back to your version] under notable alumnus is debatable. The transitional government is a misnomer [my opinion] because Iraqi ministeries were up and running very shortly after the old regime was ousted.

The ambassador's listing under world governance does appear to elevate his status to the far reaches of the universe. Is that how he would have wanted to be remembered?

Is that you again User:Geo Swan?,,,,,<<<haloo again,,,,Ariele 05:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My edits

I noticed a few major problems with this article which I have since tried to fix. First, this article was way too long - it included a series of unnecessary information (e.g. listing some 30 institutional alliances in separate sections and sub-sections), and often repeated itself in many areas. Second, there was not a single reference made on the page. Third, there was not a condensed overview of the school listed at the top of the page - this is common for universities on wikipedia, partly b/c it allows people to understand the nature of an article quickly, without having to read or scan the whole article. Anyway, that basically sums up my edits - but I'll certainly try to do more... particularly vis-a-vis referencing.

[edit] Infobox edit

"Excellence, Innovation, Diversité" is not an actual motto, either official or unofficial, just some recent slogan, used e.g. on the occasion of Condoleezza Rice's remarks in February 2005 [1]. Actually the only Google results are Wikipedia pages... [2]. See the talk page of the article in French.

I also made a minor correction regarding the Sciences Po Library, which has never been a "political science arm" of the BNF.

Keriluamox 12:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Redirecting

Shouldn't we invert the current redirects? The official name of the school is Institut d'études politiques de Paris which currently redirects to Sciences Po. IMO it should be the other way round, right? --DarTar 10:54, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

DarTar is correct. Institut d'études politiques de Paris is the correct name and title (you don't capitalize Etudes and Politiques in French). The current article is the anglicized version. Aprogressivist 16:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually institut isn’t capitalized either, although the correct typography is somewhat rare: institut d’études politiques de Paris. Keriluamox 01:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Whether or not we capitalize it, shouldn't we at least spell "Études" correctly? Backspace 02:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Logo-sciences-po.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)