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The Clubs section is totally out of proportion to their prominence on campus. Every B-school has an Energy Club etc. We should remove the clubs and add more unique info about the 'National Weeks' and the Summer Ball which are special INSEAD traditions that have been maintained for decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.112.225.31 (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


Jaffafive 10:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Both Zirtechie and Bakashi10 are spending a lot of time editing this. Can you two not form a consensus? Zirtechie, are you associated with INSEAD? Bakashi10, are you associated with some competitor of INSEAD's?

Bakashi10 has made some reasonable deletions e.g. removing 'eloquently' and adding citation request references for various statements of opinion. This is to be applauded. However, I disagree with Bakashi10's repeated deletion of the phrase "one of the world's leading business schools". This is reasonable given INSEAD's reputation and the fickle nature of business school rankings. Many top business school refuse to cooperate with rankings and rankings tend to change a lot from year to year. Many rankings such as the WSJ's and The Economist's are seen as very unreliable. I also disagree with Bakashi's deletion of various paragraphs which seem to be quite factual and include sources. I would rather see this information left in and these two having a good discussion as to why they should be taken out. I have looked at other top tier business school Wikipedia entries this morning, it seems to me that INSEAD is one of the less 'promotional'. My two cents, I hope you two can sort your differences out.
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I removed some advertising from the Insead posting. It's a well known school but Wikipedia is not for advertising it is for information. Ranking is important to some students, so it is safe to say a school is well known or world known if it appears regularly in top 10 of Financial Times/Business Week. I don't think Alumni publication is important, it is possibly adverting but may have some information content above that.

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[edit] Spam allegation

I pulled the following off the page, since there wasn't any source given for it. Can anyone provide an appropriate source for the following?

==INSEAD and internet Spam== INSEAD is responsible for hundreds of thousands of registration based medicinal spam each year.

Thanks! - Fordan (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Inseadlogon2.jpg

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[edit] Peacock

This article is using peacock terms particularly in the introduction and more throughout the text. Consider the following:

INSEAD is considered one of the world's leading graduate business schools and is known for its influential worldwide alumni network.

Considered by whom? And known by whom? It would be much better to write a factual summary of INSEAD and let readers decide for themselves (c.f. Massachusetts Institute of Technology). Bakashi10 07:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why does an INSEAD stooge insist on the words 'worlds leading business schools'?

Can we please have an objective, factual article, rather than INSEAD marketing speak?

I suspect there is a stooge writing the article.

[edit] Suspect this article is being maintained as campus guide

I have various objections to this article and I would like to engage Zirtechie in forming a consensus. Revert wars are just stupid.

Zirtechie 19:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC) YOU ARE DELETING STUF LIKE CRAZY FROM THIS Zirtechie 19:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC) YOU MAKE OTHER CHANGES AND DELETIONS YOU DONT EXPLAIN HERE

  • Is your caps-lock stuck? And can you please run spell check. My reasons are all documented below - I dont know what you are talking about. I'm deleting content that is promotional and unobjective. I dont see why that content should be here. INSEAD has its own website precisely for that purpose: to advertise and promote. Wikipedia is not INSEAD's soapbox. Zirtechie, are you associated with INSEAD? You will notice that descriptions of campus recruiters, weasel descriptions about ranking and quality, unsubstantiated references to rigors of admission, and references to differentiating factors (whatever they are!) are completely absent from quality university articles. I dont have an agenda besides the wikipedia polices. Do you assume I'm acting in good faith? I hope so. My whole point is that rather than using subjective and weak assertions, the article would be more encyclopedic by qualifying rankings and other facts.Bakashi10 16:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

My general objection to this article is that is written in a promotional tone without any objective facts. It should'nt be a surrogate INSEAD directory, campus guide, or alumni association advertisement. The specific problems I have with this article are:

Zirtechie insists the introduction

One of the world's leading business schools, INSEAD's main differentiation factor lies in its global perspective and multicultural diversity, which are reflected in aspects of its research and teaching. [2] [3]

Zirtechie 19:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC) THIS IS REASONABLE STATMENT NOT OPINION BECASUS SOURCE IS GIVEN

This statement is opinion and promotional. Simply writing 'world's leading business schools' avoids having to give any factual basis for this statement. What is a differentiation factor? Sounds like marketing speak to me. And how can you support an opinion that global perspective and diversity are manifest in the research and teaching? I think the point that the school has a diverse student and faculty is well made by later statements with data on student background and languages. Hence there is no need for this opinion. I suggest replacing with:

INSEAD's MBA program has been ranked amongst the top 10 international MBA programs by The Financial Times (7th) [2], BusinessWeek (6th) [3], and in 22nd place by The Economist's survey. [4]

Remove promotional statements. This is not campus guide, nor is it an advertisement. The following statements sound suspiciously like an enticement to potential students. While I think some of them can be rephrased, i.e. the alumni association, most should be removed.

Zirtechie 19:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC) YOUR OPINION, AGAIN THIS IS BACKED UP BY SOURCES OR IS REASONABLE, YOU JUST DELETE LIKE CRAXY< LIKE A VANDAL

Remove

The required core courses are combined with electives chosen by the participant in areas of his/her interests. A range of classes, seminars, retreats and/or simulations are offered to help participants to hone their leadership, presentation, communication, career management, inter and intra personal skills.

Remove

MBA participants rank their professors following the completion of each course. Professors who score below a certain ranking regularly do not have their contracts renewed. Professor renumeration is based on both academic research and teaching ability.

Known by? This is promotion.

INSEAD is known to be one of the most selective business schools in the world. The Admissions Committee selects candidates from a pool of applicants on the basis of various qualities, including academic performance, career progress, interpersonal skills and leadership potential.

More blatant promotion

Main employers of 2005 class MBA participants and the number of graduates employed were McKinsey & Company (74), Boston Consulting Group (40), Bain & Company (30), Deutsche Bank (18), Booz Allen Hamilton (13), Roland Berger Strategy Consultants (12), Barclays Capital (11), Google (11), Credit Suisse (10). [9] INSEAD has a reciprocal agreement with Harvard, Kellogg, and Stanford to share career services. Current students and alumni of the four schools have access to job opportunities database of each other.[10] INSEAD also participates in the MBA Global Career Forum, together with other leading business schools including Harvard, Stanford and Wharton.[11]

INSEAD alumni live in over 150 countries across all continents. Today there are 25 countries around the world in which over 100 INSEAD alumni live and work. Most INSEAD alumni are members of the INSEAD Alumni Association with its 40 national alumni associations, and return for their alumni reunions on campus[citation needed].

remove 'eloquently'

The history of INSEAD is chronicled eloquently in the book "INSEAD: From Intuition to Institution" by Jean-Louis Barsoux


Bakashi10 04:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:30 is not to be used as an impetus or replacement for discussion. Morgan Wick 20:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Third Party Opinion - Initiated

I won't make any allegations, but the article, in its own right, has many shortcomings. Then again, so do the vast majority of articles on Wikipedia. To settle this dispute, I suggest you compare this to the articles of a few other schools, such as Cornell or Yeshiva University. You can use those as a sort of template to better generate a comprehensive, thoroughly insightful article that does not appear to be a mere promotion for the school. Hope this helps. :) DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 22:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further third party opinion Aristrent22 21:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't like either of these editors' approaches (Zirtekie and Bakashi10). See discussion page on LBS and Wikipedia guidelines generally.

People who are conflicted tend to select certain rankings. They include them in their own school's website. Have a look at Tanaka, Judge, IMD, Said and LBS entries. They contain lots of unsubstantiated statements. I have made amendments to this entry.

I encourage Zirteckie and Bakashi10 to talk to each other constructively. It looks like Zierteckie has accepted Bakashi10's removal of some statements. Zirteckie could put more effort in explaining his/her position. Bakashi10 just re-enters what he/she wants every time. This is not ideal.