Talk:Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni

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[edit] "arta"

re [1]: this is a linguistic article, please consult and cite linguistic literature. The "spiritual conception of Armenia" may be notable to articles on Armenian national sentiment, but not here. see asha for a good article on the Old Persian term arta, including detailed discussion of etymology. dab (𒁳) 16:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Listen, Im Persian Armenian, and I know Persian, the Arta or Asha even doesnt exist in Persian anymore. This prefix "Arta" persists in Armenian to this day. 63.43.102.167 16:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't dispute any of this. The topic of this article is, however, a linguistic phenomenon of the Bronze Age, completely and obviously unrelated to questions of Modern Persian or Armenian. Your knowledge of Armenian is most welcome on Armenian language, in particular informed contributions to the stubby "Morphology" section will earn you praise. dab (𒁳) 16:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I need a correction in the Armenian_language page. Can you help me out on it? The page is locked, where it says we "borrowed" from Persian, please change that??? Its "share" words, not borrowed. Thank you. 63.43.14.63 16:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I can assure you that there is a large number of Greek and Persian loanwords in Armenian, accreted in several layers even predating the characteristically Armenian sound changes. Armenian language is not protected, and you may edit it, but you should not remove the reference to the borrowings: Every language has loanwords, but Armenian is particularly notable for its large number of these. Indeed, the number of Iranian loans in Armenian so large that linguistis only in the 1870s realized that Armenian is not in fact an Iranian langauge. dab (𒁳) 16:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Armenians have not taken from Iranian, when I just told you there are many cases which you see like "Arta" which remains in Armenian, but not found anymore in Persian. Its "sharing" words, not borrowed words. Since we are the same language group specially, and Persians even are so near they have the names Armin and Arman. That is why Persians called Armenia with that form Armin'a. 63.43.78.142 17:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Dbachmann, thats better with the Greco-Aryan, Thank you. 63.43.78.159 17:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I must ask you to please consult linguistic literature before making such claims. Iranian and Armenian are not in the "same language group". dab (𒁳) 17:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I just told you that Iranian comes from Armenian, the "roots" are all from Armenian. Would you like me to give you all the root Armenian words now? I would love to:

Gita - knowledge in Sanskrit - Git- Armenian

kendra - center in Sanskrit - kendron - Armenian

mita - thinking - mta- Armenian

avidya - eternal - Armenian (h)avidya

vichara - distuinguish -Armenian - vichel, vichar

apruna - life - aprel, apran

aruna - blood , red - arun

there is many many more you want more?

Gazr - carrot -gazar

amboh - crown - amboghj

jrana - waterfall - jransk

jana - path - jana-bar

janani - know yourself - janacheer

There are many many words which we "share", not "borrowed", please unlock the Armenain language page. By the way these are not found in Old Persian, proving that its from Armenian roots, these Sanskrit words that is.

63.43.78.170 17:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Im not crazy to type all the 100's and 100's of other words in Sanskrit that are found in Armenian, cause we "share" and the very word Ariya in Armenian means noble and also light and truth, from the root Ari -ya 63.43.78.170 17:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You understand now? That is why Persian have the names Ar-man and Ar-min also, cause they are from Ar-menia, the land of Ar or Ariyans 63.43.78.170 17:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, this is nonsense. Please review WP:ATT. Try to read literature on historical linguistics if you are interested in the subject. Then come back and cite your academic, on-topic (linguistics) sources to make a point on whatever it is you like to say. Yes, Armenian loaned many words from Persian, no need to dwell on the point, but your notion that the language are from the "same group" is unaware of the 1870s discovery that Armenian is a separate branch. That is, your opinion has been outdated for fully 130 years now (that's not as bad as it could be, we get some editors ideologically stuck at some point in the Bronze Age, but still...). It would also be good if you created an account if you are seriously intending to edit Wikipedia. It is irritating to have your IP address change every five minutes. dab (𒁳) 17:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Listen, Dbachmann, maybe I have trouble explaining like this, I wish we can talk by phone or something. Im saying even in the other pages like the one you put, Greco-Aryan page, it says they "shared" a common history together. So this is what I mean, please put "shared" not "borrowed", cause I told you they took from Armenian "roots", its the theory also of the flood story of the Japhetic people and all others from the land of Ararat, the mountains of the land of Ararat, the birth and rebirth of the nations. Not to mention the term Indo-European didnt exist 100 year ago, it was Ari or Ar-yo, which became Aryan, 63.43.14.110 17:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Why I ask you again, do Germans and Persians have the names 'Ar'min and 'Ar'man ? Yes Germans and Persians have the exact form "Armin". The form which Persian incriptions wrote 'Armin'a 63.43.14.110 17:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You misunderstand. Both Armenian and Persian are Indo-European, of course, but they are separated by sound changes. The borrowing took place after these sound changes. Please read an introduction to Indo-European studies before taking this further, and do cite your sources for any claim you want to make. Your Armin thing is perfectly irrelevant until you can show us a scholarly reference discussing it. dab (𒁳) 17:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)