Talk:Individual time trial

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[edit] Weasel Words

i've looked through the section tagged with the weasel words warning, and i don't really see an egregious issue. i think the section was tagged due to the last paragraph, but it's pretty much spot on.

"Many of the top stage racers are also top performers in the individual time trial, such as Jacques Anquetil, Bernard Hinault, Laurent Fignon, Greg LeMond, Miguel Indurain, Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso and Lance Armstrong."

this is true, each of these cyclists was or is both a top performer in the major events, as well as an excellent time trialist.

"Almost all recent winners of the Tour de France have been good time-trialists..."

true - the cyclists referenced in the previous sentence have won 23 out of the last 29 TdF's.

"with the notable exception of Marco Pantani -- winner of the 1998 Tour de France -- who was a pure climber."

this is also true - Pantani was renowned for his climbing ability, i don't think identifying him as a "pure climber" is an example of weasel wording (in fact, if you look at the individual pages of all the cyclists mentioned, they are all classified as "all-rounders," whereas Pantani is listed as a "climbing specialist"). his Tour win was pretty much an abberation for his riding style.

i think the tag can safely be removed - objections? Theroyalweman (talk|user|contribs) 17:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It does seem that tag was a little extreme, I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time. I've removed it myself after a little rewording of the article. However this article is definitely {{unreferenced}} so I have added that tag to the top of the page. (Also, there may be another non-ITT specialist listed there soon if Rasmussen keeps this up). Goodnightmush^Talk 20:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why reverse order?

I've asked this on the reference desk, but I feel it might be better here.... why do they start in reverse order? Is it as a kind of reward for having done well before? Yet while this could kind of hold true during a stage race, during say the world champs or the olympic games this is not the same because neither of those races are part of a larger race. Mathmo ^Talk 22:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting point this on how it came about that the best would start last (which is the reason, to provide a climax rather than have the best first then loads of people who can't beat the time following). In the World Champs, the reverse order is determined on the last year's results. I'm trying to find somewhere which gives a brief rundown on who decided it would be a good idea but haven't come up with anything yet... Severo^TC 23:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)