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Contents 1 Editing 1971 section 2 About the neurality thing 3 Removing the dead Image:DacotaIAF.jpeg link 4 History 5 sensitive information 6 !!! What? 7 My 2 cents 7.1 200 Aircraft in MRCA deal?? 8 IAF Inventory figures 8.1 Su-30 MK/I 8.2 Jaguar 8.3 Mig-29 8.4 Mig-27 8.5 Mig-21 9 weapon systems of IAF? 10 Procured Numbers Instead of InService Numbers? 11 Su-30MKI is a Multirole Fighter according to Indian Air force 12 Infobox image 13 Discrepancy in number of combat aircraft

[edit] Editing 1971 section

Dhaka itself did not have any airfields. Kurmitolla and Tejgaon were the two main airfields, not counting Lal Monirhat, Comilla, Shamser nagar etc. Also, the number of aircrafts shot down while raiding this non-existent airfield is more than what available figures from notable websites show. Also it said air supremacy was achieved towards the end of the war, which is wrong (it was achieved within the first four days, mostly in the first 72 hours). Lastly, it says all flights were destroyed, which is incorrect. The PAF had at least 14 serviceable F-86s at the end of the war (if not all) were captured by the Indian Army, and formed the nucleus of the nascent Bangladesh Air Force. I have reverted these now. Also, I think there is a hidden PoV pushing here.Rueben lys 00:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the neurality thing

To whoever attached the tag. Try explaining yourself before you attach a tag and do visit the guidelines on how to edit. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way. Freedom skies 08:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The neurality of this subject is in dought.

[edit] Removing the dead Image:DacotaIAF.jpeg link

There was a link, supposedly pointing to an image of the Dacota fighter. The image was labelled and everything but it simply did'nt show on either the article or a search in Wikipedia. I removed the dead link, if someone could find the image kindly restore it. Freedom skies 08:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History

I've moved the history text to History of the Indian Air Force as:

1. This article is rather long.
2. I intent to work on expanding the history section.

The current history section needs to be summerized into a shorter block. Please feel free to start on this, otherwise I will get around to it soon. Greenshed 00:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sensitive information

would some mod or admin plz be knid enough to remove the bases from the list.This is a threat to national security. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manchurian candidate (talk • contribs) 15:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

I don't think so. Such information is already available in many resources like this one. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 16:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

While I find that it is not a threat to India's security, the inclusion rationale can certainly be debated. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 16:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Even more daring act has been done at (pauldevis.batcave.net/GoogleEarthPafAirbases.html) by an Indian where all the PAF bases are shown as in google earth (related discussion can be found here, I fear there must be a Paki doing the same for IAF base somewhere LegalEagle 15:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] !!! What?

Out of this neat and nicely detailed article, the best you people can come up with is 8 references? Colonel Marksman 17:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC) What difference would it make if airbases are listed? India does have a under ground airbase in New Delhi as well, in Vivek Vihar, planes come and go, but no one knows where they are landing or taking off from. Dont believe me go to Vivek Vihar in New Delhi and speak to people there especially near Green Field School.

[edit] My 2 cents

[edit] 200 Aircraft in MRCA deal??

1. I have seen no source that has spoken of 200 aircraft. The sources that did were only commentators, some forums and overenthusiastic mediapersons. the CoAFS himself stated that the number would be 126, and from a single vendor.

2. LCA procurement will most likely be 220 for IAF, with ~40 or more for the IN, depending on the number of carriers it operates. there is no source for the 120 figure.

3. This article SERIOUSLY lacks sources and citations, and to improve it, we must cite them ASAP. Plus, it needs to be updated as well- a lot of stuff is out of date.

4. I think it would be a good idea to create a new table with details of new procurements,, such a the HJT-36, MRCA, LCA, DARIN II, etc.

5. the list of squadrons and bases can be put into new pages. they lack relevance here, and would be useless info for most readers, and only increase the page length. I shall be creating these new pages and putting them there. If anyone objects, kindly let me know.

6. A new page on the MRCA tender can be created as a stub. There's a lot of info, and predictions are that it will be an interesting journey ahead. Considering the aircraft taking part, i agree.

Cheers. Sniperz11 22:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IAF Inventory figures

The inventory figures on this page seems to be sourced from http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Units/Fleet.html. which has exactly the same numbers as the ones in the inventory table and quite recently updated. however the references are being repointed to a generic page on AWST on wikipedia. Please substantiate that AWST actually published the same exact figures and squadron numbers before replacing the references again. jaiiaf 22:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The inventory figures have been sourced from Bharat Rakshak, but the numbers on that page and the ones in this article dont match. Bharat Rakshak doesnt even list the Dauphin helicopter but this list does, where the fuck are you getting the info for this article, because it sure as hell isnt from Bharat Rakshak.

Hey just because you didnt learn maths in school doesnt mean the figures dont match. 95% of the figures are a match. and the very fact that the bharat rakshak page shows the page edited on 23red april and someone edits the inventory page about the same time and insert the new figures and new units int the page jaiiaf 00:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Fucking retard! The table listed the number of Mig-27 as 198 and other exaggerated numbers, so dont give me crap about maths.

Keep at it and you will be the retard who will get his ass banned jaiiaf 20:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Su-30 MK/I

The Su-30 statistics. 190(i.e 50+140)+Further order for 40 The 50 built in Russia has arrived. In 2004 HAL started to manufacture SU-30MKI and handed over the aircraft.[1][2]

Out of 140, First 26 will be assembled within 2007. By 2004=2,2005=2+12=14,2006=2+12+12=26.

Out of the remaining 114 12/year will be produced until 2012/13.

Until 2006 its 50+26=76 aircrafts and by mid-2007 its 76+6=82 aircrafts in service. Chanakyathegreat 06:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

18 more ordered from Russia.[3]

40 more to be license produced will be completed by 2014[4] if the deal is confirmed, and the production rate need to be increased from the present 12 to 18 in 2007.

Chanakyathegreat 10:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jaguar

Jaguar IS = 35+58+15=108+20 ordered. Jaguar IB = 5+10=15+17 ordered. Jaguar IM = 12

37 ordered will be in service by 2009/10.[5]

Chanakyathegreat 08:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

17 IB inducted.[6]Chanakyathegreat 09:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

considering 35 aircrafts lost.[7] 2 IB+ 30 IS+1 IM and 2 loaned versions.

• Jaguar IS=108-30=78 + 20 ordered.
• Jaguar IB=30
• Jaguar IM=11

Chanakyathegreat 09:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mig-29

"The contract stipulates the modernisation of 64 MiG-29 fighters, including eight fighter-trainers," Interfax Military News Agency reported quoting defence industry sources. [8]

[edit] Mig-27

165 produced by HAL.[9] 29 Mig-27 lost.[10] 136 remain in service. [11] The aircraft is no longer in service with Russia but remains in service with India (130 aircraft) Chanakyathegreat 11:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mig-21

70 Mig-21 FL was removed from service starting 2005.[12] Chanakyathegreat 16:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] weapon systems of IAF?

we can list the AAM, ASMs, Munitions. From Kh-25 to Brahmos-A, AA-2 to AA-12 we can list a lot of them. we can also include ATGMs carried by Mi-35, Chetak and Mi-17.

[edit] Procured Numbers Instead of InService Numbers?

The InService Numbers of Aircraft are merely estimated and doesn't give the whole picture, changes from time to time depending on aircraft reserves, attrition figures etc.

So why not give Procured Numbers Figure.

[edit] Su-30MKI is a Multirole Fighter according to Indian Air force

Some one reverted my edit back in the IAF aircraft section. Apparently he feels Su-30MKI is exactly air superiority fighter. Indian Air force says its a Multirole fighter. And Since when did Mig-29 become a multirole fighter, especially the Mig-29A/B which Indian Air force operates.
Indian Air force official website

• SU-30 : Twin seater twin engine multirole fighter of Russian origin which carries 130 mm GSH gun alongwith 8000 kg external armament. It is capable of carrying a variety of medium-range guided air to air missiles with active or semi-active radar or Infra red homing close range missiles. It has a max speed of 2500 km/hr (Mach 2.35).

• Mirage-2000 : A single seater air defence and multi-role fighter of French origin powered by a single engine can attain max speed of 2495 km/hr(Mach 2.3). It carries two 30 mm integral cannons and two matra super 530D medium-range and two R-550 magic II close combat missiles on external stations.

• MiG-29 : Twin engine, single seater air superiority fighter aircraftItalic text of Russian origin capable of attaining max. speed of 2445 km per hour (Mach-2.3). It has a combat ceiling of 17 km. It carries a 30 mm cannon alongwith four R-60 close combat and two R-27 R medium range radar guided missiles.
  Ajay ijn (talk) 12:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox image

Could someone fix the image in the infobox? It seems to have been changed by a bot, and I'm not familiar enough with Wikipedia policies to know how to change this. Thanks! Jimgeorge (talk) 07:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The change was made in the Template:Indian Air Force. I've removed the dead file, so at least the annoying warning doesn't show now. - BillCJ (talk) 08:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discrepancy in number of combat aircraft

The intro states this as 1350, and the article later states it as 1450. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.47.129.79 (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)