Talk:Immelmann turn

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The maneuver was likely not invented by Immelman, nor perhaps even practiced by him, though the story is pervasive. http://www.acepilots.com/wwi/ger_immelmann.html

 I have seen text references to an Allied pilot named Himmelman as the turn's inventor, but cannot confirm this online.
 Will attempt to locate the book and furnish references.12.36.123.254 00:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)Automatic Slim

Technically, nobody invented it; however, Immelmann is credited as being the first pilot to demonstrate the maneuver. --emc! ╬ ^{(t a l k)} 01:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong manuovre

This article doesn't describe a true "combat" Immelmann turn.

The imelmann turn is more like a zoom and boom -- pitch up, throttle down, quarter roll and rudder into a directed stall. The idea is to give a pilot more opportunities to shoot down a slower aircraft.203.129.50.115 05:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to add it, after all we all can add to Wikipedia. - Dammit 10:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Added the Immelmann as it was performed in WW1 kept the original Immelmann article in place since the half loop is nowadays called an Immelmann LilRed86 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The illustration of the Immelmann turn is completely wrong. What is illustrated would produce no tactical advantage and is simply a half-loop to reverse direction. In an Immelmann turn a quarter roll is performed at point 2 in the illustration (with the plane essentially vertical, in the plane of the page). The rudder is then kicked over to complete the loop in a shorter radius than would be required in the half-loop, because the wings are essentially "slicing" sideways and the drag is reduced. The loop is then made as a yaw manuver rather than a roll manuver. After completing the loop another quarter turn is mad to bring the plane to horizontal. The half loop can then be preformed much more quickly than the manuver as shown and you can turn on a following plane more quickly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.81.11 (talk) 21:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)