Talk:Imad Mughniyah
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He was the son of Ayatullah Muhammad Jawad Mughniyya one of the great Shia scholars who wrote a lot of books in Islamic subjects and was a professor in Shia Islamic seminary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.218.210.189 (talk) 13:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
This article contains a lot of 'alleges', 'suspected of' and 'speculated that' that aren't attributed to sources. Unless something has been confirmed to be true by general consensus we need cites and all opinions attributed to people or organisations. Ashmoo 05:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
The murkiness of the details surrounding his career in international terrorism is by design.
He's the operational head of Hezbollvbmvxmvbmvbmbnmbmah, i.e. is responsible for planning and orchestrating its most heinous terrorist assaults. He's not a spokesman, a la Suleiman Abu Gheith, or a figurehead, such as UBL, or Hassan Nasrallah, or a "spiritual" leader, in the mold of Fadlallah or the late-and unlamented-Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
Taking explicit credit for these terrorist operations is antithetical to the very demands of his job, which is why it is so difficult to pin him down. The same problem exists for the operational heads of other terrorist organizations, e.g. Saif al-Adl, or Mohammed Deif.
That being said, his orchestration and involvement in the July 14, 1985 hijacking of TWA Flight 847-and murder of Robert Stethem-has been documented extensively, i.e. eyewitness accounts, film footage, etc...
The other terrorist attacks are generally ascribed to him because of his leading-although somewhat murky-leadership position in Hezbollah, and his service on the Shura Council, ties to the current Iranian regime, etc...
Ruthfulbarbarity 22:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] What is the Evidence that Mugniyeh was a senior operative for Hezbollah?
Simple question. According to Judith Palmer Harik (Hezbollah: The Changing Face of Terrorism, IB Tauris, 2005), "No party has substantiated the link between Mugniyeh and Hezbollah to this day" (p 193). So, given that the article opens with a bald assertion about this link, it would surely be at least appropriate to indicate a) that there is some controversy on this matter, b) what the state of evidence is; c) what the sources for this evidence are. I note that neoconservative commentators such as Martin Kramer are adamant that there is indeed such a link, and that Hezbollah's reaction to his assassination 'proves' this. I assume it isn't Wikipedia's policy to simply re-state what people like Martin Kramer think as fact, but to give an informed and neutral presentation of the known knowns, and known unknowns. If you get my drift. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.125.134 (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Elvis of terrorism
He was the son of Ayatullah Muhammad Jawad Mughniyya one of the great Shia scholars who wrote a lot of books in Islamic subjects and was a professor in Shia Islamic seminary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.218.210.189 (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC) I removed this:
In 1985 his group also kidnapped four Soviet Embassy officials, one of which, Arkady Katkov, was killed[1][2].
because the New Times link is dead and the NYT story does not even mention Mugniyah. (The Islamic Liberation Organization, now extinct, was an Egypt-based Sunni group.)
Every time something blows up and we don't know who did it, a rumour goes around that Mugniyeh is behind it. Please let's leave out the rumours, especially the unattributed rumours.
LDH 05:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
In Biography, there is a free-floating, meaningless right paragraph, "......Marine barracks). please fix, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.233.227 (talk) 17:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] CIA station chief
I removed "the CIA station chief" from the article. I do see it in [1], but I think this is based on a misreading of [2], which states, "The group killed some of its captives and exchanged others for U.S. weapons to Iran in what was later known as the Iran-Contra scandal. Among those killed was the CIA's station chief." It would seem unlikely that the CIA station chief ran in the same circles (or even the same region) as Mugniyah.`Superm401 - Talk 12:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, thanks for getting back to me. I do agree that it was likely a misreading. Joshdboz (talk) 13:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I do not not understand the objection to this. The CIA station chief was Bill Buckley, who was kidnapped in 1984 and the Islamic Jihad Organization announced his death in 1985. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.24.153 (talk) 06:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
The biography section names William Francis Buckley as a U.S. Army Colonel. While he was a military officer, he was the CIA station chief at the time of his death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casey82 (talk • contribs) 06:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, that is true. An article in the UK Telegraph appears to have mistakenly written that a CIA station chief was killed in the blast that killed Mugniyah; this has not been repeated or confirmed. Joshdboz (talk) 14:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, my mistake. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.148.189 (talk) 18:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no question that William Buckley was the CIA station chief in Beiruit at the time of his kidnapping or that this was the reason for his kidnapping. This has been published in numerous books and articles. The removal of his position and replacing it by the generic "US Army Colonel" seems intensionally misleading. Dfoxvog —Preceding comment was added at 09:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you to whomever changed it from "US Army Colonel" to "CIA station chief" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casey82 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Semi-protected
I've semi-protected the article, with an expiry of 7 days, due to anon edits like [3]. Superm401 - Talk 13:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Since he's dead and most of the information is unconfirmed speculation and the fact that there will be no more news about him, it's time to close and shelve this article 65.57.245.11 (talk) 15:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)yadayada...yada
[edit] Nickname/title/legacy
In the ensuing media coverage following his death, I've heard a few network news terrorism experts bandy about the idea that Mugniyah was "bin Laden's role model", or something to that effect. Is there any evidence, biographical, or statement-wise, that would lend any credibility to this, or is it just people trying to puff up his death as some kind of blow to terrorist morale??? 65.213.98.242 (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Article lacks substance
How can it be that this man led a life of hatred for the USA and never revealed the reason behind his hatred? Did Americans kill his parents? Surely someone knows the answer and has written about it. This article needs to tell a little more about the man.
- Well, I don't think anyone took him aside and interviewed him for a tell-all book or anything. I don't think his reasons for engaging in terrorist activities is known at this moment, but it can probably be speculated. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] He was a bad man??
who says, Israel??? Bush? so what... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.230.176.159 (talk) 21:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] A useful source
This is a reprint of a Newsweek article which provides some more biographical information that could be useful to the article's development. Please note that I downgraded the rating from B class to Start class. It's missing a lot of information, particularly on the responses to his death in the Lebanese community. I'll try to post more useful links here as I find them. Tiamuttalk 15:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
- This Time magazine article reprinted at the Tayyar site is also a good one at providing an overview of the allegations against him and the lack of information substantiating his involvement in most of them. Tiamuttalk 15:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Olmert's alleged private meeting
I highly doubt that Olmert met privately with Dagan to congratulate him for the death of Mughniyah. Israel denies involvement in the assassination and Syria has not even claimed that they were. Even if it were true, and I there is no reason to believe that it is, it seems highly unlikely that the Israel would leak this alleged meeting to the press. It sounds like bunk, and I will delete this sentence in a day or two unless a source can be found. --GHcool (talk) 01:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
