Talk:Ietsism

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This is a very useful article, very helpful, and while I see the notice that it has not been inadequately documented, I hope that it can be-- and especially that it can stay in the Wikepedia. (I did not write it and I have no idea who did). Thank you and again please retain it until someone who knows more about the topic can improve this piece. Many thanks and of course thanks for the Wikepedia.

128.103.197.142 15:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)James Adler

A scholarly book (in Dutch) has just arrived at the Andover-Harvard Theological Library at Harvard Divinity School on this topic, called:

In iets geloven : ietsisme en het christelijk geloof [Editors} Kune Biezeveld...[et al.]. Published : Kampen : Kok, c2006. Description : 169 p. ; 24 cm. Notes : Includes bibliographical references. ISBN : 9043512192

128.103.197.142 20:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)James Adler


To 81.152.168.37. You keep changing 'there must be something' to 'there might/may be something'. Do you have a) an agenda? or b) a learning difficulty?. The phrase is a quote from the original Dutch language page - ‘Nee, maar er moet wel iets zijn!’ ('No, but there must be something!'. 'Moet' being the Dutch word for 'must', not 'may'). It is simply a direct verbatim quote of the typical ietsist reply, and not my viewpoint (I am myself an agnostic). That's why it is between quotation marks. Perhaps you would like to go to the Dutch page and change the word there too. If you disagree with it, then it must be wrong, mustn't it? ChrisRed 07:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


As someone from The Netherlands I can testify that "Nee, maar er moet wel iets zijn" (No, but there must be something) is less common than: "Nee maar ik geloof wel dat er iets is" (No, but I believe there is something). It's a minor difference, but noticable I think. Rekel 02:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

This ietsisme is not an official "religion", it would be classified as atheism. later! Mallerd 12:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not atheism if one believes "there must be something", an atheist would believe that "there must be nothing!", right?? 81.83.251.4 (talk) 19:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

True. Ietsism is not a religion, it's a state of mind along the lines of: "I suspect that there is something 'out there'. I don't know what it is, but I don't think that religions know any more about it either" . I would say that it is definitely a form of 'active' rather than 'passive' agnosticism. In other words you 'arrive' at Ietsism as the result of a thought process, as opposed to 'falling' into it as a default position. Maybe it's agnosticism for people with a "God gene" :-) ChrisRed (talk) 10:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)