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[edit] Move
Should this be Iberian federalism? --Error 18:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree. "Iberic" is a mistranslation from Spanish or Portuguese. FilipeS 00:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sci Fi
The poll at the very end of the entry showing high percentages of Portuguese folks cheering a united country with Spain is just hillarious. It is like in California they made a poll asking whether they should merge with México, lots of people would say "yes" just because...it is not going to happen because it is not in the agenda, not even remotely. Someone who is not familiar about Portugal nationalist sentiment vs. Spain may be misled by this one. Mountolive 20:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- well yes. But there are things that link both countries. The text is not good, even things like Olivenza that clearly stress the relation between both countries is presented in a positive way. There's an interesting article over Iberism and the Portuguese reasons http://dn.sapo.pt/2006/10/10/opiniao/o_iberismo.html that was mostly due to the dispute of southern Africa during the scramble for Africa. Portugal wanted to unite Angola and Mozambique, but the British wanted to unite South Africa and Egypt. Creating a breach in the relations between Portugal and England and approaching Portugal to Spain. There is still a high percentage of the population that is functionally illiterate and one of the major TV channels is controlled by a Spanish group and often does Spanish advertising. The fact is that both countries need each other and the economical relations between both countries are very important to both. Portugal is more important to Spain's exports than all Latin America all together and it was because of Spain that Portugal did not entered into a recession, despite what the article states. Both countries are also cooperating as a tourist destination in major international markets (out of Europe). Another thing is that the article ignores that both countries are already a single economy through the European Union, although these countries together would remove Canada from the G7, while counting the 2006 GDP, it wouldn't, but that's the current situation, not the trend.
As for the king of Spain, that is natural; he was exiled in Portugal during the former Spanish regime, speaks fluent Portuguese and as all modern kings do nothing that is politically controversial, so that is not a surprise that people see him as a nice person. As for people preferring Madrid, well that's really really odd. Unexplainable.
- Another think the article presents the idea of the incorporating Portugal in Spain; Portugal was also in the verge of assimilate Spain by dynastic succession.
--Pedro 20:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with most of the things you mention: but I was not saying that both countries are living back to back anymore. I just noted the fact that the poll is sci-fi politics and just some way for the Portuguese folks to vent, because of the present situation there. People who are not aware of this -and that is most people, because this is neither Portuguese nor Spanish wikipedia- may conclude after this poll results, that iberism is indeed a real idea going on these days and that indeed 1 every 4 Portuguese would like to see their country merging with Spain, which is obviously not true, right? Mountolive 05:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, it is biased. These countries no longer live back to back (they used to ignore one another in every field, even history in classrooms), there's a significant improvement but also do not walk hand-in-hand. But I'm sure (POV) that people do not have an "issue" with the Spanish people - by the contrary, maybe with the Spanish state, but not its people. Economically Portugal still depends on what occurs in Germany. --Pedro 10:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] LMAO, I can't believe this!
The green-red-yellow flag is actually a drawing I made in paint while discussing the Portuguese poll in a Spanish forum, Meristation. Look how badly had been erasedthe Portuguese and Spanish coat of arms from "my" design, which had a classical Austro-Hungarian taste. Said flag had not exised or waved ever, if i'm not mistaken.--Menah the Great 13:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I had never seen that flag before. Better remove it. Besides, according to description, it is a merger of the Spanish flag and the old Portuguese flag, but turns out that none of the former Portuguese flags was green. Húsönd 15:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Was"?
I'm going to change "was an ideology" to "is ..." because: a) pt.wiki has "é" and es.wiki has "es" and b) even if political parties aren't supporting it, José Saramago is alive and arguing for Iberism and so is Carlos Saura so it can't be said to be dead.A Geek Tragedy 08:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Flag of Iberia
The Iberian flag was created by the Catalan writer Sinibald Mas i Sans in 1854. It is quartered with the colours of the monarchist Portuguese (white and blue) and Spanish flags (red and yellow), dating from 1830 and 1785 respectively. The Iberian flag is much older than the republican Spanish and Portuguese flags (1868 and 1910 respectively).
It is not a coincidence that the Iberian flag has the same colours (in a different order) as the flag of the Maritime Province of Barcelona. Barcelona was the birth-place of Mas i Sans.
According to the Iberists, the Federation or Confederation should be formed by the peninsular parts of Portugal and Spain (without the Aran Valley, which should belong to Gascony), the Balear Islands, Gibraltar, Andorra, and the Basque and Catalan regions of France. Four languages should be official: Spanish, Galician-Portuguese, Catalan and Basque.
Mas i Sans wanted the federal or confederal capital city of Iberia to be established at Santarem, Ribatejo, Portugal, but the capital city of the Diocesis Hispaniarum, created by the Roman Emperor Diocletianus in 287 C.E. was Emerita Augusta, Merida, Spanish Extremadura.
