Talk:I Vow to Thee, My Country

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

Contents

[edit] Date Query

In 1921, the music of "Jupiter" from Gustav Holst's Planets Suite was added.
In 1925, Gustav Holst set the words to music,

It can't be both, folks. And do we have a source for Holst being okay with his tune being used? The Wednesday Island 14:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I found a source that says Holst wrote the music in 1921, but it was first performed in 1925. I have amended the article accordingly. Note that the source is not what I would consider particularly credible and we really need to find a better one. Sidefall 19:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third Verse

Perhaps there should be a reference to the third verse...?

Can somebody add the text of the third verse? --Maha 00:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I concurr this is necessary. Does anyone have knowledge of it? Graldensblud 00:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to add to this, further to the deletion, twice today, of the third verse, and its associated source and content. Just because the third verse is not sung, nor included in hymn books, that is not a valid reason to simply remove the lyrics and also a source in this article and remove additional content. I have though removed the additional wording which had no place on the article that was written in the style of a comment on a talk page. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 17:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to google the deleted verse and the only source I've found says it is probably a hoax. I would be minded to remove it from the article unless someone can come up with a verifiable source. Sidefall 19:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hymn

It would be more appropriately described as a hymn of the Commonwealth nations than of merely England.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.28.240.20 (talk) 18 April 2007

The fact remains that it is an English patriotic hymnn even if it is also sung in other countries. It has been added that the hymn is used in Canadian Remembrance Day services. If it is proven that the hymn is also of all "the Commonwealth nations" with sources, then surely that can be included, as well as it being English patriotic hymn, rather than instead of it.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 17:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
For that matter, it's in the current American(-Canadian) Seventh-day Adventist Hymnal (1985), presumably for Canadian use, though it could be sung in any nation that requested death of its citizens; the text has no specific reference to England or the UK. --Haruo 17:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cecil Spring-Rice - I vow to thee my country

Entries for "Cecil Spring-Rice" and "I vow to thee, my country" don't match. Cecil Spring-Rice died 14th February 1918 - I vow to thee my country written in 1918 after the 1st World War which ended 11th November 1918????211.26.57.186 15:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The words were not written after the First World War, they were written in early 1918 while Spring-Rice was in Washington as British ambassador. 137.73.126.175 16:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original version

At that time, the first verse glorified warfare in a manner common to the bellicose patriotism at the beginning of the Great War. if anyone has these words, could they please add them to this article - it would be very interesting to see what they say. Sidefall 17:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] O God, Beyond All Praising

Please check this out as well. It has the same melody, but different words I think. This should be included in the article as it is another rendition of I Vow to Thee my country.

the youtube link below is from the United States, sung in a church in Tennessee. it's towards the end of the clip.

[1]

ApsbaMd2 (talk) 15:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this hymn is listed in the Oremus Hymnal as being sung to Thaxted, as is another hymn called "Let streams of living justice". It's pretty common for multiple hymns to use the same tune, and indeed for multiple tunes to be used for the same hymn, with hymns with popular metres (such as Common Metre, 8.6.8.6) often swapping tunes freely. On the other hand, as Thaxted is, to my knowledge, the only hymn tune with metre 13.13.13.13.13.13, and I Vow To Thee My Country led to the adaptation of that tune as a hymn tune, it might be worth noting that the hymn effectively created a new metre. TSP (talk) 15:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)