Talk:Hwa Rang Do
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- I have essentially written the article on Hwa Rang Do. I will work on expanding it later (this took too many hours to do everything at once ;) ), but I would appreciate if someone with more experience here would look it over.
- The image on this page is listed as having no copyright info, but I did come across a copy on the internet at The U of W site. I presume this means that it is a copyright infringement for sure? I guess I will have to read more about copyright for pictures, so I can find a new one that is actually free to take ;).
- Most of the info is avaliable from the sources at the bottom of the page. The top one especially (world headquarters) has info about most of what I wrote. I tried to verify details it as I went, but much of this info is from memory from when I was training, so there may be minor details that have problems.
Eric Burnett 03:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that Michael Echanis' claims constitute any form of evidence or support for the "secret temple master" story of HWD. His expertise as a combat instructor has no bearing whatsoever on his competence as a historical researcher. Interview a number of recognized self-defense experts or champion martial artists of various backgrounds, and I'll guarantee that you'll hear them repeat any number of myths about the origins and development of martial arts. Also, the claims that HWD contains techniques that aren't found in any other martial art except ninpo is something that needs to be backed up with a source. --Halloween jack 14:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bob Duggan Not Mentioned
I think in the criticism section Bob Duggan's page on the Real history of hwa rang do should be mentioned.
http://hwarang.org/internal.htm
-Bill
April 25, 2007
Why not add it?--Mateo2006 00:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that much of what has been written here that has been biased against the martial art of Hwa Rang Do has been simply for social/political gain reasons or in retribution over an unfavorable parting of ways. The bare truth is that whenever you have more than one master battling for recognition you will have this type of behavior, especially in something as poorly documented as the martial arts have been throughout history and with as much to gain or lose as is at stake. (A perfect example of what can be at stake is Tae Kwon Do; prior to being officially recognized by Korea as a national sport Tae Kwon Do was moderately known on par with Tang Soo Do, but after recognition is was soon accepted as an Olympic event and propelled into global recogntion along with other Olympic martial arts such as Karate and Judo).
There are many examples of poor or no documentation of systems, teachers, techniques, etc. and often for good reason. In times of war and or occupation by enemies, you would not want to document the things you wish to hide. It is amazing that there are as many records as exist today. It is insinuated that the mere existence of Suam Dosa might be a fabrication because there are no records of him, however, people living as recluses in that time period with the wars and invasions taking place, the communist takeover, etc. are historically known to have existed.
Mr. Euchanis' title in Hwa Rang Do is also disputed because of his rapid attainment of rank, however it was not indicated that he was also already a black belt in Tae kwon Do and at least one other Korean martial art, he was also a U.S.Army Ranger and a trainer for U.S.Special Forces, Rangers and SEALS units. This is all documented by the United States government. And it IS OFTEN customary in many different styles of martial arts to recognize the previous achievements and ranks in similar martial art styles and to accept the student at a much accelerated pace simply adding or adjusting the students techniques to bring the them into the system. As a member of Americas elite fighting units he would have had an expanded exposure to many styles of martial arts and their techniques, everything from strikes to grappling and submissions. In fact he probably had more training with certain weapons such as the knife than most martial artists would see in many years of training.
Further, practitioners of Hwa Rang Do emphasize that the art is a "living breathing" martial art which adapts and incorporates whatever techniques it's teachers deem advantageous for their students, (I.E. grappling techniques derived from Jujitsu). I believe it is as good a martial art, as any other style out there today and the art itself should not be debased because of the petty disagreements and egos of a few. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B5782d (talk • contribs) 18:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
-Bob Nov 12, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by B5782d (talk • contribs) 18:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nine virtues
I was glancing through a translation of the Shu King, an exceedingly ancient work, which has something which may be related to the "nine virtues" here (this being the only article that matches the English phrase precisely). But without matching up Hanzi directly, it is very hard to say whether the translated ideas are the same or not. It is also very interesting that this seems to be formulated as a middle way possibly before Buddha. Could someone advise?
"Kaou-Yaou replied: ... In general practice there are nine virtues... By being liberal, yet austere; complacent, yet firm; particular, yet reverential; indifferent, yet respectful; kind, yet daring; self-respecting, yet meek; unaffected, yet genuine; steadfast, yet sincere; bold, yet just; and showing that he has integrity, how successful he will be!" Shu King p. 31 Wnt (talk) 06:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
