Talk:Hundreds of Cornwall

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cornwall, an attempt to improve and expand Wikipedia coverage of Cornwall and all things Cornish. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project member page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.	Cornwall Portal
Start	This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.
See drop-down box for suggested article edit guidelines: Shortcut: WP:Cornwall Articles are written using a standard set of headings (see suggestions for article structure here). This is to maintain consistency between Cornwall articles and to improve the quality of entries through a constant style of writing. These headings are, however, plastic and in a state of flux and although we welcome suggestions or improvements, we would appreciate discussion before any major changes to the layout yourself. Be bold - if you know something about Cornwall then put it in! We value your contributions and don't be afraid if your spelling isn't great as there are plenty of spelling and grammar experts on clean-up duty! At WikiProject Cornwall we subscribe to the policies laid down by Wikipedia - particularly civility and consensus building. We are aware that the wording on Cornish entries can sometimes be a contentious topic, especially those concerning geography. You don't have to agree with everything but there is no excuse for rudeness and these things are best solved through consensus building and compromise. For more information see WP:CornwallGuideline. These pages are not platforms for political discussion. Issues relating to Cornish politics should be restricted to those pages that directly deal with these issues (such as Constitutional status of Cornwall, Cornish self-government movement, etc) and should not overflow into other articles. Most of all have fun editing - that's the reason we all do this, right?!

I don't know of the word cantrev being used in traditional Cornish. The forms I've seen are kev(e)rang (and conteth?), but I can't even give a definite provenance for either at the moment. The spelling cantrev would be unlikely in traditional Cornish (you'd probably see cantreff or similar) while revived Cornish would spell it as kantrev or cantref, depending on the school of orthography. But kevrang is the real McCoy. QuartierLatin1968 05:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] evidence

The introductory paragraph is unsatisfactory: at present it is mere assertion without any references or documentary evidence (apart from the Gover one about the first appearance in a document of a word), not what one expects from an encyclopedia.

It is unhelpful to claim that the administration of Cornwall was “wholly different” from that of the rest of England and also to claim that it “mirrored” England’s.

The comments about constables are unsatisfactory. Law and order in the years after the Conquest were managed at the primary settlement level by tithings not parishes and this applies to Cornwall and the rest of England; we have the records of the eyres to prove it. Parishes in the rest of England had constables too.

The word shire is used in history (and today) not only for counties but also for smaller districts within shires/counties. It is claimed here, without evidence, that “shires in Cornwall mirrored the administrative apparatus of shires in England” and “the Cornish cantrev replicated England's shire system on a smaller scale.” I take this to mean that the shires in Cornwall were the equivalent of the shires in the rest of England not non-county smaller districts. Did the shires of Cornwall have the apparatus of counties? A sheriff each and a shire court for example? Please give evidence for the claim of equivalence. The county of Cornwall did have a sheriff and shire court and hundred courts.

Please put up the documentary evidence for the opening sentences and claims made therein, including the use of the word cantrev.Crococolana 01:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I have amended the entry to remove unsourced material. Crococolana 18:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)