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[edit] Rio as an place of asylum for Huguenots

Fort-Coligny was founded by Villegaignon as a place of asylum for Huguenots in the Rio region(1555-1572). (but they were also Cathlics in amongt the settlers which caused lots of dissension and the demise of the colony). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.164.34.54 (talk) 17:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nouvelle York in 1628

"L'Eglise francaise a la Nouvelle York" when the place was still la Nouvelle Amsterdam and the State la Nouvelle Belgique (Manhattan was bought by a French speaking protestant : Pierre Minuit). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.164.34.54 (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes

Should it be noted that many Protestants did not, in fact, leave France in 1685? mcgd k 04:34, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Huguenot

Huguenots founded Bowdoin College in Maine, USA. Huguenots settled heavily in Western New England USA near Amherst. Huguenots had a significant battle in Southern France in and around Carcassonne, in the SW, from which they fled under persecution from the Guise in the 1600s. Tom Brokaw of NBC News is a Huguenot from South Dakota. As a Huguenot myself, seriously, how can any large percentage of Englishmen claim that heritage? Apparently, according to Scientific American, Celtic genes are present in 60% of Britons. What is the deal with Huguenot heritage in Britain? It seems too inaccurate for a Wikipedia Encyclopedia article. How can high school students use that datum in a term paper? I am puzzled.

McDogm Apr 28 2005 1924 est usa

Well, if you consider that possibly half a million Huguenots fled France, and that the largest number of them went to England, it's not impossible to believe that a sizeable number of Englishmen today would have Huguenot ancestry. Keep in mind that there weren't that people in England at the time--its population was something like 4-5 million then, so an influx of immigrants would have significantly altered the gene pool. Funnyhat 07:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

From the article: Firstly one must not confuse the people "French Huguenots" (who are of French descent and whose religion is Protestant) with the name given to French Protestants as "Huguenot". The people are of French descent but the name "Huguenot" remains the subject of much debate

I'm going to need some kind of source for this comment. I'm not sure what it means, or what the implications are; and as it is, it stuck out awkardly, and so I removed it. Mkmcconn (Talk) 21:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jan Hus

Concerning the origin of the word: one of the possible origins given is the Flemish word "Huisgenoten". What I was taught in History class was that it came from Jan Hus, so the word would have been "Hus-genoten", which would translate somewhere between "Hus fellows" and "Hus allies". If anyone else has heard this explanation it could be added to the article. Piet 12:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Flight

I have added Norway to the list of countries that people escaped to, as my own family used this route to flee and eventually we ended up in England some 200 years later. :)

[edit] Refugee

I have added this word to the article as the word refugee is now a part of the English language due to it being brought here by the early French protestants seeking Refuge, they were spoken of as the 'Refugees'. French réfugié, from past participle of réfugier, to take refuge, from Old French, from refuge.

[edit] First sentence?

The first sentence is nonsensical, currently. I would fix it up, but I don't know what it's trying to say. --345Kai 08:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the door of king Hugon

the subject of the origin of the "huguenot" appellation among french protestants is very controversial; the presented hypotheses only reflect the clerical point of view of french reform theologian. they are consistent only if the supposition that this name is used first in 1560. This is 30 years too late, a night gathering in the outskirts of Tours, nearby the "Porte du roi Hugon", of singing huguenots, is registered with a very old fright, by a clark of the Sorbonne. The arrival of Calvin on the protestant scene is preceded by popular upheavals with composed "Chansons spirituelles", hummed at night, extemporized at the court of Marguerite de Navarrre, that all refer to a very long tradition of codes of popular resistance agains clerical order, based with relation to epic medieval cycles. the cycle of Hugon de Bordeaux mark definitly a popular militaro-political identity, the "miquelets", the name of huguenots troups in arms, constantly signaled by François Rabelais 10 years before 1560, in his hilarious pronostications of a new flood of them. Medieval clerks only feign to see in a miquelet a Mont Saint Michel pilgrim to survey narrowly of frowning individual incriminations. It's in fact since the XI century, the name of the most efficient light infantry, serving as Mercenaries of the greek basileus, and very well-off back home in the montaneous part of France, where protestantism will receive a very quick popular adhesion. This is what a clerk, catholic or protestant, constantly feign to ignore, and a very fine parallel can be made with the british "alms giver of Saint Joan", that serve the same empire since Robin Hood. Only clerks must seem abashed by this statement, they really should verify very soon. Gérard Vincent, dit Laville.

[edit] Pierre Joubert

"On 31 December 1687 a band of Huguenots set sail from France to the colony at the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa. Individual Huguenots settled at the Cape of Good Hope from as early as 1671 and an organized, large scale emigration of Huguenots to the Cape of Good Hope took place during 1688 and 1689. Many of these settlers chose as their home an area called Franschhoek, Dutch for French Corner, in the present day Western Cape provice of South Africa. A large monument to commemorate the arrival of the Huguenots in South Africa was inaugurated on 7 April 1948 at Franschhoek. Many of the farms in the Western Cape province in South Africa still bear French names and there are many families, today mostly Afrikaans speaking, whose surnames bear witness to their French Huguenot ancestry. Examples of these are Joubert, du Toit, de Villiers, Theron, du Plessis and Labuschagne amongst others, which are all common surnames in present day South Africa."

Can someone please write about Pierre Joubert, who is the main proginetor or whatever of the huguenots in South Africa? My research is insufficient, but he fled from La Motte d'Aigues to the Netherlands and from there to RSA, carrying his Bible within a bread, as the legend goes. Will someone research this and write about it please? --Scotteh 21:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dick Turpin - English highwayman

Was Dick Turpin of Huguenot ancestry? Please see Talk:Dick Turpin. --Mais oui! 19:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ficitional characters?

In the list of Huguenots in this article, Peter Griffin (a character in the cartoon Family Guy) is listed. While his character may indeed claim Huguenot ancestry, is it really appropriate to include fictional characters in this list? Perhaps a "Huguenots in popular culture" section could note this connection? Not being a Huguenot expert, I'll leave it to others to make this decision. GeoGreg 06:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Mr. Griffin is Irish Catholic. I haven't caught every episode and he might have temporarily claimed to be a Huguenot. But I don't know for sure. Regardless it doesn't fit in the section. Johnsonrlp 16:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hugesgenoten

In the section "Origin of the name", user Hjoab references a derivation from Huges Capet and German Not. The wrong plural of Not is cited (it should be Nöte, not Noten, which is plural of Note). Additionally, I have never heard of this derivation before. Does anyone have any references or sources that could be cited? Otherwise I suggest adding a cautionary statement about the derivation, or removing it entirely. --mililani 08:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early emigrations: massacre story

The account of the Ft. Caroline massacre, on this page, attributes it to the action of "the Pope", and sounds like a stereotypical inter-confessional atrocity story (cf. Black legend). In contrast, the page Ft. Caroline describes the massacre as carried out by the Spanish after a storm thwarted a French raid attempt on the St. Augustine colony. If the shocking charge of Church involvement in a massacre cannot be substantiated, it should be removed. Chonak 01:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I commented out the unsourced material and replaced it with a summary of the account from Fort Caroline#History. Chonak 01:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

If it is perfectly true that huguenot are "historically known" as calvinist, the way historians produce knowledge is then definitly biaised with anachronic ways of naming. We must consider that no french huguenot would answer to his interpellation as calvinist, exactly as well as no elizabethan puritan would ever answer at the name of anglican. They certainly would have react to the insult. In very extreme cases they would face catholic repression together with a follower of Jean Calvin and his augustinian beliefs, if ever theologian were on battle fields during this repression. Huguenot is the popular face of french protestantism, that has an aristocratic face, and a clerical one, the three being very different. Exactly the same way that you cannot put altogether puritans, the high church of England, and Francis Bacon in the same bag, english protestantism. Huguenots are the earliest manifestation of protestantism, their "chansons spirituelles" spiritual songs are heard in the streets, discretly hummed around churches, refusing to eat a "god of wheat", with the splendid humour of François Rabelais, that was inspired by them and not the reverse. Francis the first and his sister Marguerite de Navarre accompanied this popular movement with big investments in scholar studies, being totally conscious of its roots in medieval popular heresies, such as hussites, lollards, turlupins, beguins, and so on. If the etymology of huguenot as huss-genoten is really to dig further, because it makes a sense very present at the early mind of reformation, an other one describes well the huguenot mood, saying that it is from a old tower in the outskirts of Tours, named the Tower of king Hugon, where secret meetings of "spiritual songs" were held, that they were named huguenots, making a deep sense with that legendary king Hugon, the eponym of "miquelets", errant troops of the dark ages frightening the clarks, and subject of many medieval chevalry epic verses. The etymologic hypotheses are numerous, and no conclusion is to expect; the only limit we can fix is by wondering if it would have been relevant for the people that used it. It cannot sound as a reference to Hugues Capet for this reason, the huguenot spirit being far away from french dynastic nationalism. This spirit has been shared by a good half of french population in the beginning of the 16th century; its status of minority now in France, of dreamfull origins in the anglo-saxon and german world, let anyway float a fragrance of freedom dared with modest joys; just say "huguenot" and a smile come at your face, this is the true etymology of a nest of singing birds that laid many democratic and poetic eggs everywhere, this is everything you want except genetic. Gérard Vincent, a french puritan.

Gérard, I like your suggestions and have found a few references that support them; but I have closed the section with a comment to discourage speculation from ranging much farther than the two (or two and a half) hypotheses that have apparently predominated in books and articles for centuries. — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 22:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] citation?

"The French Wars of Religion began with a massacre at Wassy on 1 March 1562, in which at least 30 (some sympathetic sources say 1000 or more) Huguenots were killed, and about 200 were wounded." These widely disparate numbers probably need some citation. Thank you. ThuranX 04:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that the 1000 number comes from a rounded total number of Protestants in Vassy at the time. The Catholic encyclopedia gives the low estimate of "Twenty-three"; 60 to 80 is a more common estimate, or rounded to "about 100". I've changed the sentence. — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 06:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pronunciation?

Should there be a pronunciation key next to Hugenots? Just a suggestion. Nominaladversary 23:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British and Irish people of Huguenot descent

There are categories for American, Canadian and South African huguenots, but none for British and Irish ones. What about famous novelists such as Daphne du Maurier, Sheridan le Fanu, Charles Maturin etc? Natalie West 01:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I initially added people like that to Category:Anglo-French people but I then removed them intending to make a sub-category like the one you suggest. What do you think would be appropriate titles- British/Irish Huguenots...British/Irish people of Huguenot descent? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 16:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I would have thought that British/Irish people of Huguenot descent would be appropriate, but some people might object to Irish people being lumped together with British. Most Irish Huguenots would also fit into the Anglo-Irish category as they became assimilated, but there has been some controversy over the use of the term as some people consider it archaic, although I suspect that hides a political agenda. (see Anglo-Irish talk page). The main Huguenot article is getting rather lenghty with lists of Huguenots and people of Huguenot descent from all around the world so I think that some sorting into sub-categories would be in order. Natalie West 08:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Samuel Beckett's family thought (perhaps wrongly) that they were off Huguenot descent. Everytime 02:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That is just one example of a problem with having a list of Huguenot descendants- another is even when we are sure that a person is descended from Huguenots, usually because their own surname or at least that of a close forebear is known to be Huguenot in origin, is there really any meaning to that task when it is thought that the majority of Irish and English people have at least one Huguenot ancestor? There is even a problem in having a list of Huguenots as in the case of Mme. de Maintenon who I just removed from the list on this page who although brought up as a Huguenot later became a bitter enemy of them. Note someone has now created Category:British people of French descent as well as my Category:Anglo-French people just to complicate things. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 23:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cemetery link

There is a short article about the Huguenot cemetery in Dublin. I think it's one of only two cemeteries in Europe. Should it be linked? Everytime 02:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the Huguenot cemetery in St Stephen's Green should be linked. Natalie West 08:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Famous Huguenots or people with Huguenot ancestry

This list is getting really long, what about moving to a separate page? STTW (talk) 18:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Now the list is as long as the article, if there is no objection I will move it to a separate page soon. STTW (talk) 18:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Flex for doing it. STTW (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relocation

The article states that they moved to North America but all the references were for the United States and none for Canada and Mexico. Should this then be changed to relocation to the United States? Canking 01:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sickinger

In some of my research into 17th century Germany, I've found the term Sickinger in with the term Huguenot. Is this a notable subset, a related group, or...? ThuranX 03:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huguenot#Settlement_in_North_America

The beginning states that they were barred from settling New France but when Pierre Dugua, Sieur de Monts gain rights to settle new france, he was a calvinist. And so were the settlers. If you see the article, History of the Acadians the earliest settlements were in new france funding by Huguenotist merchants, like Jean de Biencourt de Poutrincourt et de Saint-Just. The first settlements went into place in 1607, then abandoned, 1610 colony destroyed. It wasn't until then, that they were barred. All this happend before 1624 and 1628.--Sparkygravity (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)