Talk:Holy Roller
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I removed the following because it belongs on a page perhaps about fundamentalists or somewhere else appropriate.
"In 2005, Will Smith released a song on his album "Lost and Found" which speaks out about the intolerance that he has faced in his life from people close to him and in the media. The lyric also contains a dissertation on freedom from religious oppression and fundamentalism comparing the actions that led to the September 11th attacks to those of mainstream right wing fundamentalists. "
-- Ted Wilkes 21:37, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Holy Rollers are not literally "rolling"
I removed the specific reference to Pentecostals being Slain in the Spirit because the term is certainly broader than that applied to these churches. Many of those who oppose Pentecostalism and who think that being "Slain in the Spirit" is actually unchristian could also be guilty of being a "Holy Roller" simply because of a judgemental attitude. --One Salient Oversight 06:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality
I cannot, and will not, agree that this page is neutral. It fails to mention the thousands of people that gladly accept the term because they are, if fact, holy, yet nonjudgmental and wear the term with pride. It also shines a very poor light on many religions that have been labeled "Holy Rollers" in the past but over time have become well respected and rather established religions. (i.e. UPCI, ALJC, Assemblies of God, etc.) Boothcat4320 19:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
There is actually a HOLY ROLLERS' CHURCH !
http://www.delfloriatailorshop.com/HolyRollers1.htm
Prophet K.M. Livingood, President (319) 358-9013
[edit] Christians
We don't force you we let you make your own decisions. User: matt2005
[edit] Shakers!? Quakers!?
The line in the article about Shakers and Quakers makes absolutely no sense. These denominations did not "Shake" or "Quake". Someone should fix this as this article makes a mockery of the Wikipedia. Goaty 07:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
There is actually a HOLY ROLLERS' CHURCH !
http://www.delfloriatailorshop.com/HolyRollers1.htm
Prophet K.M. Livingood, President (319) 358-9013 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.221.19 (talk) 01:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] My understanding of the term Holy Roller
I do not believe that the term "Holy Roller" originated with the Shakers or the Quakers. According to my sources, both of whom are Pentecostal clergy, during the early years of the Holiness/Pentecostal churches in America, the term was used to degrade those who agreed with the doctrines now associated with Pentecostal/Holiness churches. It is important to note that although the term Holy Roller is often associated with Pentecostal/Holiness churches, it can also be used to refer to any member of a mainline denomination who supported the doctrines of holiness. Here's what the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (4th Edition)says, "NOUN: Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a member of any of various religious denominations in which spiritual fervor is expressed by shouts and violent body movements." The Holiness movement stressed the importance of living a set-apart lifestyle so as not to be conformed to the secular world. Some individuals were more radical in their lifestyle changes than others. Pentecostal church services are often known to be more expressive than other Protestant denominations and according to my sources, pioneers of the Pentecostal Movement were riddiculed for their expressive forms of worship, such as clapping, the lifting of "holy hands" and what is known by some as the "Holy Dance". On the television broadcast of a Pentecostal bishop from Memphis, Tennessee, he stated that early Pentecostals were known as Holy Rollers because it was rumored by their accusers that they rolled in sheets on the floor during their services. Here is a quote from Brother William Marrion Branham, a Pentecostal clergy in 1953 concerning the term "Holy Roller", " Would you like to know why I'm a holy-roller? I'll try to tell you from the Word of the Lord. And you know, I've done a lot of traveling for our Lord Jesus, I seen many denominational churches. But you know, I've never seen a holy-roller yet. I--I really don't know what--where they're at. I looked all over the church lists and the statistics and everything, I can't find where there's a church called holy-rollers. But you know what it is? It's just a name the devil pinned on the Church; that's all. There is no holy-roller. I've never seen one. I--the government don't know of any. So well, I--I don't know where they're at, but I... Just think, there's the devil just did that." His sermon, "Why I Am A Holy-Roller" was delivered on Sunday afternoon, 30th August 1953 at the Chicago Gospel Tabernacle in Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.
[edit] Rewritten
I rewrote the article to present two different etymologies of the term, and positive and negative views of the less derogatory. I could not, however, get good sources, though this is in line with what I've heard before, and makes more sense. I've marked the article unsourced, anyway. I've also made it a stub, and tried to keep the content to a minimum, while still covering the basic ideas one has of a holy roller, from either side of the fence. It is still moderately tainted with my POV, perhaps, but hopefully the fact that I don't really care about holy rollers (they're mostly obsolete and obscure at this point) means it isn't too bad, so I've removed the neutrality-dispute, now that it isn't a wholly ridiculous article. --Flata 01:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
They believe in HOLINESS;
And they believe in THE HOLY ROLL (The Lambs Book of Life);
There is actually a HOLY ROLLERS' CHURCH !
http://www.delfloriatailorshop.com/HolyRollers1.htm
Prophet K.M. Livingood, President (319) 358-9013 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.221.19 (talk) 01:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
