Talk:Holy Day of Obligation

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[edit] Sabbath

Which day is the Sabbath Day according to the Bible and the 4th Commandment? Why do we Christians not follow the right day "Saturday" instead of "Sunday"

The Jewish faith would answer Saturday is the Sabbath, as would 7th Day Adventists. Christians moved the sabbath to Sunday as it is the Day of the Resurrection, and the day the early Christians gathered to celebrate the Lord's Supper aka Eucharist (to give thanks). All that the book of Exodus says is to keep Holy the Sabbath, but never details which day of the 7 is the Sabbath.DaveTroy 15:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Colossians 2:16 says that Christians are no longer obligated to observe "sabbath days" any more than we are to refrain from eating pork. 66.32.123.84 21:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Collosians does NOT say that "you are no longer obligated to observe sabbath days". While Colossians 2:16 does state something about not being judged by what you eat, drink or when you worship, it says specifically "Let no MAN judge you..."
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"
Meaning, don't be pressured or coerced by other men. This does not mean that you may disregard God's laws. God will most certainly judge you for following, or rather, not following, his laws. It's just that simple.
There are plenty of examples to be brought forth from the Bible. These are just a few:
Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
Genesis 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Matthew 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."
Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
Exodus 31:13 "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you."
Christians that don't observe the proper Sabbath, which is Saturday, are either brain-washed by their religion, or they are making a personal decision based on mis-information.129.54.8.46 16:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
The original Sabbath day of Saturday commemorated God's rest after the Creation. Jesus rested in the tomb on Saturday, but Christians don't celebrate that, they celebrate His resurrection, on Sunday. It was God who chose Sunday as the Christian holy day. And after the Resurrection, God chose to have many other significant events occur on Sunday: Jesus appeared to His disciples on Sundays, Pentecost (the coming of the Holy Spirit, and the founding of the Church) was on a Sunday. Revelation 1:10 refers to Sunday as the "Lord's Day".207.112.24.28 (talk) 15:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
To user 129.54.8.46 -- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a code of religious conduct. Christians for centuries have disagreed about which day of the week should be considered the sabbath. The fact that, say, the Seventh Day Adventists observe Saturday does not cancel out the fact that the overwhelming majority of Christians observe Sunday. Which day anyone should observe is outside Wikipedia's purview. —OtherDave 15:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External source for obligations by country

May someone please give an external source to the country obligations? I'm having difficulty finding where such information comes from. Thank you. --24.79.216.175 02:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

To which country's holy days of obligation? In some cases there will be no Internet source, only the publication of the original decision of the Bishops Conference duly confirmed by the Holy See, plus a mention in the country's annual "Ordo". Lima 05:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Basic Meaning of Day of Obligation

From the article: "The Code of Canon Law states: The faithful are obliged to [...] abstain from those works and affairs which hinder the worship to be rendered to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s day, or the suitable relaxation of mind and body."

The article would be well-suited by authoritative sources of how this grammar is interpreted in different cultures, times and sects. An example (not necessarily good, but illustrative):

"abstain from those works and affairs which: hinder the worship to be rendered to God; hinder the joy proper to the Lord’s day; or hinder the suitable relaxation of mind and body."

Minor changes in punctuation and emphasis can mean major differences in approach to obligation, prayer and observance. What is "suitable relaxation", in the context of this sentence, not per se. Some canon history about this would be good. --Marquess (talk) 15:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] St. Patrick's Day

What is the actual status of St Pat's in Ireland? It's listed here as an HDO, but it's not one of the ten listed at the top of the article. If it is an HDO in Ireland, that should be specifically commented on in the Ireland section.... /blahedo (t) 09:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is a holy day of obligation in Ireland, and has long been so. Admittedly, it is exceptional for a country to have as a holy day of obligation a feast that is not in the canon 1246 list; but I have difficulty in imagining what comment should be added to the Ireland section, which already states that Saint Patrick's Day is a holy day of obligation in Ireland and gives an Internet site that enables anyone who doubts it to check for himself. Lima 10:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
On second thoughts, I have added a comment, not under "Ireland", where I found it would be difficult, but under "Observance by country". Lima 10:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transference to Sunday

I find the following paragraph confusing:

"Three of the ten feast days listed above are automatically transferred to a Sunday, if in a given country they are not holy days of obligation:

  • "The Epiphany is transferred to the Sunday that falls between 2 and 8 January;
  • "The Ascension of Our Lord is transferred to the following Sunday;
  • "The Body and Blood of Christ is transferred to the following Sunday."

It says to me that these three holy days were NOT of obligation and so were transferred to a Sunday. In the U.S. the Ascension was of obligation, but the other two were not, yet it was still transferred to a Sunday.

There is nothing automatic about the transference. Rather the national bishops' conference has to request from the Holy See that the feast be transferred.68.65.122.80 14:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


I have added a paragraph the explains this situation.68.65.122.80 15:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for drawing attention to the need for clearer expression. The General Norms for the Liturgical Year and the Calendar, printed, for instance, in the Roman Missal, state (in the present ICEL translation):
7. In those places where the solemnities of Epiphany, Ascension, and Corpus Christi are not observed as holydays of obligation, they are assigned to a Sunday, which is then considered their proper day in the calendar. Thus:
a. Epiphany, to the Sunday falling between 2 January and 8 January;
b. Ascension, to the Seventh Sunday of Easter;
c. the solemnity of Corpus Christi, to the Sunday after Trinity Sunday.
The Missal indicates the same on the page where it gives the texts of the Mass on each of these three feasts, e.g.:
Epiphany is celebrated on January 6 where it is a holyday of obligation; elsewhere it is celebrated on the Sunday between January 2 and January 8.
When the French Episcopal Conference decided not to have Epiphany as a holyday of obligation, but wished to keep the celebration on 6 January, they had to get the approval of the Holy See for that decision. Lima 15:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Code of Canons for the Eastern Churchres

Um. I'm not sure if you realise this, but the CCEO has no juridical standing in the Eastern Catholic Churches. InfernoXV 10:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Confusion, I think, between the Code of Canon Law, which "concerns only the Latin Church" (canon 1 of that Code) and the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, which "concerns all the Eastern Catholic Churches and only them, unless, it is expressly stated otherwise in connection with relations with the Latin Church" (canon 1 of that Code). For what other than the Eastern Catholic Churches could the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches have juridical standing? Lima 10:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
No confusion there actually. What happened was Rome decided one day to plonk a document on the table, saying to the Eastern Churches, 'hello chaps, here's a unified code of canon law for all of you'. Nobody asked Rome to do this, as none of us consider it within Rome's rights to make canon law for us. Basically what then happened next was that our bishops and patriarchs took the book, told Rome 'thank you very much for this', put the book on the shelf, and continued life as before. We have our own canons, based on our traditions and spirituality, and the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches reflects a markedly different style of thinking. We have multiple rites, with several different ways of doing things - the CCEO attempts to cover us all, which is impossible. This is why the CCEO has no official standing in our Churches. The matter of holy days of obligation is an obvious example of latinisation - the concept of an obligation to attend church is foreign to us. InfernoXV 13:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I've heard few positive comments from within the Eastern Catholic Churches concerning the CCEO. Without going into details, I'll just say that it's both criticized and ignored. Majoreditor 14:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)