Talk:Holland America Line

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The subsidiary-ness of HAL is not obvious online, but http://www.hollandamerica.com/aboutus/news/press/3oost07f.htm mentions the 1989 acquisition for instance. Stan 03:34, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Title of ships? 2 Signature class vs Vista class 3 "notable" dates/events 4 Restoring article fixes

[edit] Title of ships?

Why are the Holland America ships entitled "ms Ryndam" instead of "MS Ryndam"? If someone doesn't respond I'll go ahead and change it to all caps. Jarfingle 23:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

It's how the line refers to their ships. E.g., on their fleet description[1] --PatriciaRF 01:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Signature class vs Vista class

Does anyone know what differences actually exist between the Vista class and the Signature class? Just based on deck plans, they appear nearly identical (vista/signature) - the only differences being mainly on the Observation deck and the Sports deck, plus less major shuffling of walls on other deck. Are the two classes mechanically different in their operations, or was the class name change more for marketing rather than being a design shift? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know as such, but based on the deck plans and the general laxity with which cruise lines treat the term "class" I'd say the name change is a marketing thing. -- Kjet 11:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I've heard it's an additional floor being added between the nav and lido deck, with an additional hundred or so passengers as a result. --Randal L. Schwartz 15:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Per the deck plans, there is no extra deck (same number on both ships). The main difference that I can see is that the navigation deck now has standard rooms rather than suites, allowing for more cabins, the observation deck now has cabins on it where the crows nest used to be located, and the sports deck has been expanded to include the new crow's nest, some cabins, and a specialty restaurant. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, since the "sports deck" is open air on the Vista Class except for the existing Crow's Nest (it's the area above the Lido Deck), the fact that there are some cabins, and a specialty restaurant means... they added a deck! --Randal L. Schwartz (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It's an existing deck, already accessable - just expanded with ten cabins, the crows nest, and a specialty restaurant. These changes appear no more extensive than what was done on the Noordam vs the earlier Vista class ships (extending several decks and redesigning the crow's nest) - yet those changes are being retrofitted into all earlier Vistas, while the changes on the Eurodam are called a new ship class. That's why I asked if the two classes are mechanically different in their operations. If the expansion of an existing deck and shifting of some walls on other decks are the extent of the differences, then it's clear that it's just a marketing thing to call it a new class. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "notable" dates/events

This section is considerably longer than needed, and contains several presumably "notable" entries that do not meet the criteria in WP:NOTE. In fact, the entire section seems to be a mirror of the dateline from Holland America's website. A simple link to that existing history article on HAL's website is all that's really needed. While some of this content may be notable, much of it serves no purpose other than marketing for the brand. --161.88.255.139 00:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restoring article fixes

I re-removed content that had been inserted by an anon (user:71.231.130.81) - the anons edit was a reversion to an older version of the article. The re-removal of this content addressed multiple issues - the user had restored a long list of "key people" to the infobox; however, per {{Infobox Company}}, the infobox should be restricted to at most 3-4 key people. The anon also restored the sections "Notable Dates/Events In Holland America Line History" and "Awards and Accolades". These sections clearly have more to do with advertising/marketing rather than encyclopedic content - additionally, both sections appear direct copies of text from the Holland America website (the awards and history tabs), which is already reachable via the external links section. Lastly, the anons edit remove multiple minor edits/fixes to the article (fleet navbox, commoncat link, image size in infobox, etc). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)