Talk:HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen

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Where did you get the HNLMS prefix? I thought that Netherland ships were HrMs for Hare Majesteit's....

That's why I wanted to review ship prefix - even the Dutch Naval Museum's own website uses HNLMS. Going by sites like http://home.wanadoo.nl/bruinvis/Engels/news.htm, Hr Ms might be a less formal adjective, while HNLMS is the official prefix. I'm hoping to find an English explanation somewhere, German+English only works to understand grade-school Dutch... :-) Stan 13:54 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

Why can't these blasted furriners be nice and consistent, like the British are with their pennant numbers or the US with the names of recent submarines?  ;-> http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Apr1996/960323-N-6240R-001.html has a picture of our friend HrMs Crijnssen; http://home.wish.net/~hrmsvlaardingen/ is the homepage of the minesweeper HrMs Vlaardingen -- may I invoke Google? Googling for [HrMs navy -"human resource"] produces 1260 hits and ["Hr.Ms." navy] another 818; but [HNLMS] only gets 851. --the Epopt 15:04 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

Best of all, google for hnlms and "hr ms" to see pages that use both at the same time! We really need an explanation from somebody who knows. BTW the defenselink picture is of a more recent Crijnssen, not the minesweeper which was already in the museum in 1996 (and no, HNLMS is not just for old ships, see http://home.wanadoo.nl/bruinvis/Engels/indexeng.htm, compare text above and below the picture). Stan 16:20 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

I just sent mail to the contact address at the museum. Stan 16:51 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

...and Leon Homburg, deputy curator, replies with the explanation that they are

"one and the same", the two versions being in different languages - HNLMS is the prefix in English and "Hr.Ms." is what it is in Dutch. So HNLMS is correct for English wikipedia, and translators will simply tweak that in article names, as they would for other words needing translation. (He also observed that the article had some mistakes, which I will need to fix.) Stan 22:55 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)