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"in 1928 King George V was able to unveil a tablet celebrating the completion of the work, which still continues." - how can the work be said to have been completed in 1928 if it's still underway three-quarters of a century later? This sentence could do with being made a bit clearer (though not by me, as I don't have the requisite knowledge!). Loganberry 11:45, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

A 250 year old wooden hulled ship requires constant attention. The plaque commemorates the completion of a major restoration but things do not stand still. For instance the ropes of the rigging will not last 75 years and the ship will require ongoing regular painting. Although the sentence may appear self contradictory in reality its true and should stand. Restoration work on the ship will never be finished for more than a day or two. --LiamE 11:34, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

One could rephrase to clarify that one restoration project was completed 1928, but that a number of additional projects have been undertaken since then. Stan 20:50, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Signal School 2 Toro island? 3 HMS VICTORY II 4 Media Appearances 5 Edited Ship Infobox: Marines

[edit] Signal School

In 1889 HMS Victory was fitted up as a Naval School of Telegraphy, which became the School of Signalling - this school was moved ashore in the early 1900's, but surely it merits a mention?? (Further details can be found on the Royal Naval Communications Association website [1]) Jaycey 23:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'll insert it then! Jaycey 13:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Toro island?

Victory was passing the island of Toro on April 4, 1805, when HMS Phoebe brought the news that the French fleet under Pierre-Charles Villeneuve had escaped from Toulon.'

Is this a reference to Bocas del Toro? - Eric 11:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] HMS VICTORY II

Does anybody know exactly what hms victory II was during world war I. Was it a training ship in Portsmouth? It has shown up on my great grandfather's wwI navy records.

Have a look at this page - http://www.gwpda.org/naval/rnshore.htm - I think it might probably help you. Jaycey 14:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Media Appearances

This noteworthy ship has not only been remarkable at sea. A section on its media appearances should be added, one that I know of affirmatively, its appearance as "HMS Battledore" in the Miss Marple movie "Murder Ahoy" (1964). Maybe other major media usage of the ship have occurred over time. Unfortunately, it was not used for the also noteworthy Hornblower TV series.--80.145.199.218 00:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we'd need considerably more than one appearance to warrent a specific section. Also, I wouldn't say this was the place for it anyway. A page titled 'HMS Victory in Popular Culture' could be created if we could gather enough references. It'd save cluttering up the article, and fit with already existing pages, eg. Stonehenge in popular culture. Benea 01:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edited Ship Infobox: Marines

I removed the word "aloft" in the Ship Infobox from the sentence "Marines armed with muskets aloft". While I am not sure about Victory's fighting methods pre-1805, this was definitely not the case at Trafalgar. Lord Nelson was opposed to employing men with hand weapons in the rigg, for fear of fire (among other reasons). Moreover, he was of opinion that the taking out of officers (what these men should do and what happened to himself at Trafalgar) could not have a decisive influence on the general outcome of a fight once the ships were within musket shot at all. With that, he was right, and Trafalgar is an example: Nelson's influence and guidance was over half an hour after the Victory entered close combat, and yet the battle was won. Orders not given before the first broadside was fired could hardly influence (let alone determine) the outcome. --Kauko56 (talk) 09:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

You are right about Nelson's aversion to sharpshooters, mainly because of the risk of fire in the sails. Unfortunately for Nelson, Jean Jacques Étienne Lucas of the Redoutable thought differently and had especially drilled squads of crack sharpshooters to target the officers of the enemy ships. As to the influence of officers, the case is probably not so clear cut. The overall strategic plan of the battle had been decided before hand, Nelson's officers were encouraged to take their own initiative anyway and once battle was joined, Nelson's personal influence only really extended to directing the fighting of the Victory, though that was mainly Hardy's work. Nelson's death didn't really affect the outcome. But targeting officers could deprive a ship of leadership at crucial moments, weaken resolve, cause hesitation. But the overall effect of this eventually turned out to be slight. Cooke of the Bellerophon and Duffy of the Mars were killed in the battle but their ships went on to hold their own as command devolved, fortunately to capable subordinates. Nelson was therefore probably right in the final analysis. Benea (talk) 14:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)