Talk:HMS Cumberland (57)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 09:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

1 Requested move
- 1.1 Voting
2 Timeline Conflict
3 Longest Commission

[edit] Requested move

HMS Cumberland (C57) → HMS Cumberland (57) – C57 is the incorrect pennant number for the ship, 57 is the correct as all County class cruiser have no letter in front of number — copied from the entry on the WP:RM page

[edit] Voting

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Support - Why are we even voting on this? It appears to be a pretty straight forward case of the original article being named incorrectly. --Kralizec! | talk 05:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Timeline Conflict

The article states that Cumberland escorted Russian convoys from October 1941 to January 1944, and yet also won battle honours in North Africa in 1942. She can't have done both. If she was in North Africa in 1942, she must have had at least a temporary break from the Russian convoys. Does anyone know enough about this to correct it ? (sorry, I don't). GeraldH 11:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longest Commission

"At 31 years she holds the record for the longest-commissioned ship in the Royal Navy, after HMS Victory." - not convinced by this. Surely the second place was held by HMS Monmouth (1667), which was in very active service for a spectacular 100 years? In fact I would think that there were quite a number of ships of the line that were retained in commission, even if as static training ships, far beyond the life of most 20thC steel warships. --Ndaisley 19:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, plus HMS Caroline (1914) is officially the second oldest warship in commission with the RN. She has 93 years on the clock and is still going. 31 years is also not very much when it comes to ships of the age of sail. Picking one at random, HMS Bellerophon (1786) made 50 years quite comfortably. So this 31 year record seems to be an unsupported, wholly untrue invention. Benea 21:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Duh, spot the obvious mistake about Bellerophon, that she wasn't in commission for her last years! But the point stands, as it was stated, it was untrue. The sources say she was quite old for her time, most of the pre-war ships had been already scrapped, Cumberland only survived as long as she did because she was being used as a trials ship. But I think someone read a bit more into that than they should have. I've now removed it from the text. Benea 23:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)