Talk:History of the Isle of Man

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Contents 1 Mark or merk? 2 Distracting blank spaces 3 Origin of Man 4 Cleanup 5 The article lacks allot of information 6 Timelines history of British isles

[edit] Mark or merk?

I suspect the spelling in the Scottish-Norwegian Treaty of Perth is merk. Laurel Bush 14:18, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC).

So I put in merk as the Scottish word for mark. Dabbler

I am thinking now the Treaty may have been in French or Latin. May not have been specifically Scottish 'merks' at that early date. Laurel Bush 10:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC).

The treaty appears to have been in Latin (see http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxsoc/msvol04/v3p210.htm) and says marks

[edit] Distracting blank spaces

Formatting that encases the framed table of contents in text, in just the way a framed map or image is enclosed within the text, is now available: {{TOCleft}} in the HTML does the job.

Blank space opposite the ToC, besides being unsightly and distracting, suggests that there is a major break in the continuity of the text, which may not be the case. Blanks in page layout are voids and they have meanings to the experienced reader. The space betweeen paragraphs marks a brief pause between separate blocks of thought. A deeper space, in a well-printed text, signifies a more complete shift in thought: note the spaces that separate sub-headings in Wikipedia articles.

A handful of thoughtless and aggressive Wikipedians revert the "TOCleft" format at will. A particularly aggressive de-formatter is User:Ed g2s

The reader may want to compare versions at the Page history. --Wetman 20:28, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of Man

In the article Manannan mac Lir it is stated that "The name Manannan derives from an earlier name for the Isle of Man." Which is it? I have neither time nor inclination to do the requisite research, and so I leave it to the original authors of this article.

[edit] Cleanup

This article is very confusing to read, I suspect it may have been lifted directly from a book. Astrotrain 12:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

That'd be the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, then. Man vyi 17:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Still doesn't make much sense Astrotrain 18:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I would agree that this seems to be lifted from a quite outdated publication. I can't comment on Norman and later periods, but prehistoric information needs major update. Some issues after a cursory read: The Bythonic is not really a period, but rather a language group. Current evidence supports settlement during the Mesolithic. Also there is no discussion of Neolithic or Bronze Age presence on the island. There are a number of monuments from that period, including burials etc. As far as I know there is quite a lot known about the Iron Age settlement (promitory forts)...

[edit] The article lacks allot of information

I'm disappointed to see that there is such a lack of basic information on the History of Man.

Firstly, it starts off in the middle of the Celtic period, it says nothing about what occurred before, such as When did people first come to the Island? Was it during the Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age? Where the Romans on Man? What does the Archaeology say?

As for the Celts, was there a Brythonic culture on Man before the Gaelic one? etc...

These are basic things that would be expected to be in any article on the History of a Country.

--Hibernian 23:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

You'll be wanting Peter Davey (ed.), A New History of the Isle of Man, Volume 2, Prehistory to 1000AD. Published by Liverpool University Press fairly recently. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timelines history of British isles

I've created a timeline template of the History of the British Isles. My plan is to put it into that article, like the timelines of Irish State in the Irish states since 1171 article. I'm sure there plenty of mistakes, although I've deliberately left out some states/people for simplicity's sake. The "events" I've added are also obviously "Hiberno-centric", so would like the imput of other's to settle what other events should to be added. General comments are also welcome. Since the table is fairly complicated, if people want leave suggestions for events and things they would like changed on the templates talk page, I'll add them. --sony-youth^pléigh 23:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)