Talk:History of the Czech language
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[edit] "literal" vs. "literary"
I would change the use of "literal" to "literary". "Literal" in English means, "in accordance with the exact meaning of words". For example, "he hit the roof" is a figurative expression meaning he was angry; he did not literally "hit the roof". If you mean the written language, as opposed to colloquial language, you mean "literary". In English dictionaries this difference is noted thusly: "lit." and "col.". Česky literarní je "literary" v Angličtině. Sladek 15:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The National "Renaissance"
I corrected the spelling of Renaissance, but in English, we commonly refer to this period as The National Revival, as it revived the Czech language and national identity. Sladek 15:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for corrections of my English. My dictionary offers "revival", "renascence", "rebirth", "regeneration" or "renaissance" for "obrození". It is difficult for me to choose the most suitable equivavalent. But I think that "The National Revival" would be better than "The National Renaissance" --Pajast 13:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, all of those are offered for "obrozeni"--it's difficult to know when to use which word. We use "Renaissance" as the specific period of European history, or, more generally, "a movement or period of vigorous artistic and intellectual activity". "rebirth" would also work, but, for some reason, we use "Revival" in this case. Some historians probably use a different term.Sladek 16:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Transcription
In this article, I used a linguistic trascription which is usually used by Czech linguists. Since it could be uncomprehensible for non-Czech speaker, this is my attempt to translate it into the IPA characters:
| Czech | IPA |
|---|---|
| š | ʃ |
| ž | ʒ |
| c | ts |
| č | tʃ |
| ř | r̝ |
| ď | ɟ |
| ť | c |
| ň | ɲ |
| y | ɨ |
| ch | x |
| ä, a̋ | æ, æ: |
| ě, ie | ʲɛ, ʲɛ: |
| ' (apostrophe) e.g. s' |
ʲ (palatization) sʲ |
| ę, ǫ | ẽ, ő (nasalized vowels) |
| ´ (acute) e.g. á, ĺ |
: (length) a:, l: |
I found no sources for this. It is only my idea. Therefore, I place the table here. Your opinion is welcome. --Pajast 15:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The main article on the Czech language has IPA transcriptions. I will ask my teachers. Thanks for posting it! Sladek 16:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Oldest Czech sentence
Could someone help me translate the oldest known Czech sentence into contemporary Czech and then into English?
Pauel dal geʃt ploʃcoucih zemu
Wlah dalgeʃt dolaʃ zemu iʃuiatemu ʃcepanu ʃeduema duʃnicoma bogucea aʃedlatu
(in transcription: Pavel dal jest Ploškovcích zem’u. Vlach dal jest Dolás zem’u i sv’atému Ščepánu se dvěma dušníkoma Bogučeja a Sedlatu.)
Contemporary Czech:
Pavel dal Ploškovcím/Ploškovcům (Ploskovicím/Ploskovicům) zemi. Vlach dal Dolas (Dolanům?) zemi a svatému Štěpánu se dvěma dušníky (poddanými/nevolníky?) Bogučejem a Sedlatem.
English:
Paul gave a land to Ploskovice. Vlach gave a land with two serfs (?) Bogučej and Sedlat to Dolas (?) and to St. Stephen
Thank you for help. --Pajast 08:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think better would be (in the Czech word order)"Paul gave a land in Ploškovice/Ploskovice. Vlach gave a land in Dolany to St.Stephen with two servants, Bogučej and Sedlata." Since I think that -ch in "ploskoucich" and -s "dolas" are variants of the old locative case. And the second servant is definitely not Sedlat, he's Sedlata. --213.220.227.217 (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
