Talk:History of steam road vehicles
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[edit] Genesis and purpose of article
This article is intended to provide a home for the 'common history' shared by the various types of steam road vehicles. (I'm fed up of reading about Cugnot on every page!) The idea is that each vehicle page will link here for the 'early history', and then diverge off to cover the specific vehicle type development in detail.
The bulk of the initial text was moved from the steam car history sections. These, in turn were substantially sourced using text moved from vehicle in August 2007. Inevitably, therefore, there is a distinct 'steam car bias' to this article as it starts out, but I hope that over time a comprehensive coverage of all relevant vehicles will be the result.
EdJogg (talk) 14:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Stanley Steamer and other cars
This needs to somehow transition or refer to the Steam car page. I got to the end of the 20th Century section and as written, it led me to think that things just petered out about 1905. But because I had heard of Stanley Steamer, I knew something was missing. Some folks may not. How can you take this page and make it smoothly link into the Steam Car stuff? Paulc206 (talk) 17:58, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Trundle round WP and you'll find many pages with chunks missing from the history sections -- infuriating, isn't it? As the bulk of the article was lifted from steam car, there may well be a hole here (and there too?). To try and offset this, at least for now, I have added a {{for}} link. But please note that this is supposed to be a common article for all steam road vehicles - we still need to fit in C20 development of traction engines and steamwaggons, for a start.
- The whole article needs a huge amount of work and expansion. I am working on each part in turn, and checking related links on other pages. I've just about done Cugnot, and I'm deep in sorting-out Ferdinand Verbiest just now. You can see I have a little way to go.... :o)
[edit] Further research
On-line sources found during research, for possible inclusion in / expansion of article:
- The Wheels of Invention...Keep on Rolling -- (casual style) article covering development of wheeled transport. Includes suggestion that Verbiest's 'car' was "...kept at China's beautiful Winter Palace until recently, when it mysteriously disappeared. According to written reports, this little car could chug along at a fairly brisk pace, but when the water ran out so did the ride."
- What was the first car made out of? -- non-steam, earlier than Verbiest!
- Brumm 'Old Fire' models (gallery) -- page of links to model photos of the early steam vehicles.
- Interesting steam car race mentioned -- did this come from WP??
- Translation of French article -- mentioning a steam carriage by Charles Dietz in 1800 (no further details)
- Belgian site - history of cars from origins to 1900 (top page) -- you know what? Verbiest was Belgian....try searching in 'Belgian' and you'll find what you're looking for, like this (Verbiest)!! (Google translation) - individual pages for each car!!
- Généalogie de l’automobile (Google translation) -- excellent coverage of vehicle history, with illustrations
- Jerry Evereard page -- pics and links for steam motorbikes and a record-breaking 1884 DeDionBouton steam car.
- Fundamentals of Jet Propulsion with Applications -- Early history of turbines, including Hero's aeolipile, and steam turbine vehicles by Branca and Newton. Note that info must be double-checked, as this is a source used in steam engine to state that Hero's device was used for opening temple doors. Note, doesn't mention Verbiest's vehicle, which was also turbine-driven.
