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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Major revision taking place 1.2 Battle of Avarayr 1.3 Troya of Homer Ilyad 1.4 Armenians in Turkey 1.5 Wikiproject History

[edit] Comments

Denizz my comment wasn't aimed at you. I apologize if it offended you. The problem with this article is that lacks information. What I mean is that I think there is more to History of Anatolia in Modern Turkey then 70000 illegal Armenians and having just that information makes this article very POVish. --VartanM 07:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Turkish nationalists are already demanding that the roughly 70,000 Armenians who work illegally in Turkey -- and who have until now been quietly tolerated by the government in Ankara -- be expelled. None of the sources say that the Armenians are citizens of Armenia. Plus there are demands that they be expelled. Also we need to use third party sources, The first source covers everything and no need for the Turkish government source, which has an obvious POV. VartanM 19:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it is good to list first the most obvious POVs about this region. The more POVs, the closer we are moving to NPOV. Given the background of the author of this page (not connected with any interests in this region), I think that it will be easier to reach a balance than in most of the other historical articles. I see 6 POVs here (not necessarily in this order):

• Turkish (Ottoman, Seljuk)
• Greek (Byzantine)
• Armenian (Cilician)
• Persian (Iranian)
• Arabian (Syrian)
• West European (Romans, Crusades)Lantonov 06:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice if users with NPOV were more involved with this article. VartanM 06:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I left the later additions merely out of convenience, but rest assured tha I know they really need to be NPOV. I'm just trying to improve the quality one section at a time, and it is coming along nicely. Monsieurdl 11:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major revision taking place

This article needs major work, and as you can see I have begun by categorizing everything and writing sourced material, beginning with the Etruscan influence and the Lydian kingdom. I would appreciate any help with this article as it really looks bare bones without material- but in the end, it will be worth it! Monsieurdl 19:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

This article is taking a lot of work, as it is over 3,000 years of history! If anyone has any ideas for more references with regards to the Roman Empire, the Seljuk Turks, or beyond, message me here! Thanks. Monsieurdl 19:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Avarayr

I do not see here the important Battle of Avarayr, May 26, 451 AD, led by Vartan Mamikonian who was proclaimed as an Armenian saint. This date is important in Armenian calendar and is celebrated each year as Vartanianz. In this battle Armenians liberated themselves from Persians. Avarayr is in Western Armenia (of that time) which is west of Lake Van and thus in Anatolia.Lantonov 11:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I have yet to reach even the Roman Republic of BC, and so as of YET it is not included. There is just no end to the sheer amount of events and civilizations involved really... that is exactly the kind of input I am looking for to make this FA one of these decades! Just kidding. Monsieurdl 02:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Troya of Homer Ilyad

For ancient Troya, see also the article Dardan, and, of course, Heinrich Schliemann, Trojan war, Historicity of the Iliad. Lantonov 15:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the references- I sure will! The challenge now is to how to fit them in- I'll probably have to split up the first section to make it work. As you can see, I'm right now adding to it. Monsieurdl 15:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenians in Turkey

It will be good for the article to remove the last sentence: "Approximately 40,000 Armenians (citizens of the Republic of Armenia) came to Turkey to look for a job illegally in recent a few years.[21]". The fact may well be true and documentally supported but it is a sensitive topic and may attract passion and fire and cause heated and unneeded discussions on ethno-historical grounds. In addition to Armenians, there are many other numerous immigrants in Turkey in recent years like Azeris, Russians, Ukrainians, etc from the former Soviet Union. They come mostly looking for better jobs because the economy of Turkey is in better shape than in those countries. Lantonov 05:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about it, but up till now no firebrands have come on here and disrupted my work, luckily. I see these kinds of things all over the historical articles, and I have been very fortunate people have left me alone. Rest assured I'll remove the totally unimportant line when I get there, or someone restarts this war and causes problems. I'm fully aware of the sensitivity of this subject because of the inflammatory bill before United States Congress.Monsieurdl 11:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I changed my mind- I revised the poor passage for now as I can't stand looking at it anymore. Monsieurdl 13:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Check Cilicia and Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia (with maps) that should go for the period 1078-1375. Lantonov 07:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I already added it to the timeline- it is my template for working on the rest, so to speak. Thanks! Monsieurdl 13:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

While I was in Gebze, I visited the tomb of Hannibal, see Gebze. I was on a 1-week workshop at Marmara Research Center (Marmara Arastirma Merkezi). It is a huge campus but nothing about it is in the Gebze article or anywhere in Wiki. I wonder if it survived the earthquake. Lantonov 13:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Retract above. The Center is ok. [1] Lantonov 14:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Consider this one [2]. Reads relatively NPOV. Lantonov 15:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

That source is outstanding! I really like it because it is very organized and from what I saw very well written. I am very wary of using many internet sources unless they are book links, but this may be an exception. I'm almost there- this article is taking a long time! Monsieurdl 15:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Some of the references there seem to be serious non-internet sources (books) like Amélie Kuhrt, The Ancient Near East. c. 3000‑330 B.C. (2 vols., Routledge, London and New York, 1995). Vol. I Ch. 5 is relevant to chapters V‑VI of Kurkjian; Vol. II Ch. 10 is relevant to chapters VII‑X.

Check also [3] where are many translated primary sources encompassing large periods of history (not only Armenian) and also his dissertation about Seldjuk invasion and spread. Don't let time duration despair you. As a rule, good articles take a very long time. Several of them which I am working on now took me more than 8 months, and only a quarter of them is half-ready. There are additions and corrections every day. Lantonov 09:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject History

Since I added the tags from the other projects, I just replaced them with the History one, and of course retained the WPTR one, since we have an active group at WPH. Monsieurdl 20:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)