Talk:Hillside, New Jersey

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I reverted a couple of changes - Michael V. Gazzo generally used his middle initial professionally. Also, as for the question of census-designated place, the entries for Township (United States) and civil township explain how the Census Bureau does not recognize "townships" in New Jersey as a separate unit of government, and thus calls them "CDPs." So the fact that the Census Bureau calls Hillside a CDP is irrelevant; Hillside is an independent municipality with its own local government. Bruxism 20:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Bruxism, No issue with Gazzo, I just wanted to be sure that it was a necessary initial in light of the page title. In regard to the CDP factor, I have done a tremendous amount of research and I still can't understand the criteria that the United States Census Bureau uses to determine census-designated places, no matter how hard I try. There are some communities that are CDPs in one municipality, and other similar ones that aren't (such as Short Hills, within Millburn, New Jersey, which has a distinct identity -- I've been there many times and I was sure it was an independent municipality -- but no CDP). Sometimes there are CDPs that share a name with a municipality, but are really subsections. There are also many municipalities (but very far from all) that are listed by the Census Bureau both as a minor civil division (municipality) and as a CDP, and Hillside is such an example. In most of these cases, the process of generating or updating the page created it with wording that it was a CDP (or alternatively that it was a township and CDP...), which can be seen at an old Hillside page. To avoid this confusion, I have edited such pages as I find them to pull the CDP reference out of the main description paragraph and to change CDP to Township (or whatever it is) in the geography and demograhics sections. To acknowledge that the Census Bureau does treat it as a CDP, I have inserted the boilerplate that the CDP and the municipality seem to be identical, a la Hillside. While it doen't seem to add much to the page, it does acknowledge that the municipality may be treated as a CDP, but that the CDP equals the municipality. As such, I would argue that the paragraph should be retained. Thanks again for taking the time to explain your side of the issue. Alansohn 21:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

No argument with that, thanks for the explanation. Now that this is all in the discussion page, feel free to revert to how you had it, although maybe specify that it's both a CDP and a municipality (unlike some others, or Short Hills). As for Gazzo, it turns out there are 2 stubs that need to be merged, one w/V and one w/o, since he used the V. professionally, and since many people don't realize the playwright and actor were one and the same. I'm going to take care of that now. Nice edits on the others, too. Bruxism 22:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)