Talk:Her Majesty's Civil Service

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Contents 1 Civil Service Code 2 Indian and British Civil Services 3 Grading 4 Justification of page move 5 Future of this article

[edit] Civil Service Code

"A new civil service code was launched on 6 August 2006" - How is it possible for a new code to have been launched (past tense)a month after the present date? Anyway. Can somebody confirm whether or not it will be launched on the 6th of August (i.e. tense error) or whether it in fact had been launched already and the date is wrong? --User:Capreolus 19:56, 3rd July 2006 (UTC)

I've corrected the date - it was launched in June. Could you add new talk sections to the end of pages as it's easier to pick up. MLA 06:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian and British Civil Services

Rewrote india and british relationship. The Indian Civil Service actually predates the British one.

[edit] Grading

The grade comparators are good, but only Executive grades and above are listed, up to SCS. The AAs and AOs have been omitted altogether. Given the preponderance of these grades in, for instance, Executive Agencies, does anyone want to have a go? Wisdom of clowns 10:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Justification of page move

I have moved "British Civil Service" to "Civil service of the United Kingdom" for several reasons. Foremost, the "civil service" is not the name of a specific institution - but rather the beaurocracy of any number of governmental departments. For this reason it cannot be written as a proper noun (Civil Service). Secondly, the civil service of the UNITED KINGDOM is not limited to England, Wales and Scotland but equally operates within Northern Ireland - rendering "Britain" an incorrect and obsolete term for the mainland. Finally, "United Kingdom civil service" is not as clear as "Civil service of the United Kingdom" - the second is compliant with naming conventions on Wikipedia. --Oldak Quill 10:15, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The move from "British" to "United Kingdom" Civil Service is erroneous. There is in fact a separate Northern Ireland Civil Service, so British would be more accurate. The Departments in Northern Ireland are staffed by the NICS, although the Northern Ireland Office in London is part of the Home Civil Service.--George Burgess 20:00, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Future of this article

I have not been satisfied with this article, and have now put in a good deal of material seeking to improve it. I think it still needs better material on political independence (which has been a really central issue under Blair), Ponting and a Civil Service Act; something on the Whitley Council system and GCHQ; something on devolution; something on the break-up of centralised terms and conditions; and something on the new Professional Skills in Government programme. I shall aim to give this time in due course.

George Burgess is correct, by the way.

Mark O'Sullivan 10:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I think it could be a useful addition to this article to have some mention of the growing number of UK public servants who are not classed as civil servants, if nothing else to make clear the distinction. The number of QUANGOs and NDPBs implementing government policy is considerable, and many of the staff could be mistakenly seen as civil servants. Indeed the article Public Service suggests the Civil Service page, which is erroneous in the case of the UK. It may also be a nice counterpoint to the introduction, showing how the proliferation of bodies which lead to the creation of the civil service has not been solved!

I could put some text together around this, unless you can think of a better solution? MrTrev 20:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)