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[edit] Gimme a break, I created this article less than three hours; {{sofixit}} if it is that important
Anything can be copyrighted. It's intellectual property. — madman bum and angel 19:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, no, not anything. Only "creative original works". Though it was bad style of me to just copypaste--Victor falk 19:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Really? I don't recall that particular phrase in the Berne Convention. In any case, it wasn't "bad style" for you to copy someone else's sentence verbatim and claim it as your own. It was plagiarism. Please don't attempt to justify or repeat it. — madman bum and angel 19:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- I don't justify it in any way; just don't think anybody can claim such a bland sentence as copyrightable. I copypasted that sentence, and the bibliography from the Dutch wikipedia, to get the stub started. Of course I didn't intend to let it linger in that state, but to wikify it later.
- As for the Berne convention, maybe you don't find the sentence "original creative work" in it, but I'm rather certain that's the spirit of it. Just make a quick google of "what can be copyrighted". Suppose you have written some text or other (copyrightable), and that it contains the sentence "The sun rose this morning". Can you claim that sentence as your own? --Victor falk 14:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- False analogy, anyone? "The sun rose this morning" shows a little less research/has less creative value than "Henk Wesseling, born in The Hague, the Netherlands, in 1937. Ph.D. from Leiden University. Professor Emeritus of Contemporary History at Leiden University and former Rector of the Netherlands Institute for Advanced Study (1995-2002)." It's trivial to write the same information in your own words, as you found. In any case, I suggest now that this discussion is both fruitless and rather moot, given that the article has been fixed. If you have any more questions about copyright infringements and plagiarism, do feel free to utilize my talk page. Cheers! — madman bum and angel 15:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agree wholly that the subject matter is rather uninteresting. I was more curious to find out exactly what can be considered a trivially non-creative sentence. --Victor falk 18:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
